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Andrew SaligaWMA 10 Pro Encoding on a Mac
by on Oct 20, 2009 at 10:47:21 pm

I'm running Compressor 3.0.5 with the full version of Flip4Mac and Sorenson 4.5. I can outpur WMA Pro 9, but don't have the option for version 10. Is this possible to do on a Mac since Microsoft isn't supporting any future release of Windows Media Player after 10?



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Craig SeemanRe: WMA 10 Pro Encoding on a Mac
by on Oct 20, 2009 at 10:56:04 pm

[Andrew Saliga] " I can outpur WMA Pro 9, but don't have the option for version 10."

Flip4Mac only has WMP Pro 9 audio. I'm not sure why you're asking about 10 though.

[Andrew Saliga] "Is this possible to do on a Mac since Microsoft isn't supporting any future release of Windows Media Player after 10? "

Windows Media Player up to 11 on WIndows so I'm not sure what your intent is hear. Certainly Silverlight is what they're pushing as a browser plugin but that's not a desktop player though. I think it'll be some time before every WMV is embedded in a Silverlight player.





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Andrew SaligaRe: WMA 10 Pro Encoding on a Mac
by on Oct 20, 2009 at 11:00:07 pm

I'm not sure what, if any, the difference is. A client has (for once) given very specific output instructions and have requested one output be encoded with WMV9 and WMA10. Can you even encode the video of the movie with v9 and the audio with v10?

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Craig SeemanRe: WMA 10 Pro Encoding on a Mac
by on Oct 20, 2009 at 11:09:52 pm

[Andrew Saliga] "Can you even encode the video of the movie with v9 and the audio with v10? "

Absolutely but not on the Mac. If they can explain why the MUST have 10 Pro rather than 9 Pro I can contact Telestream (Flip4Mac developers) with the request and see what they can do.

10 Pro has very specific features
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/forpros/codecs/audio.aspx
If you scroll down you'll what 9 Pro supports as well.

This should also help explain the differences between 9 Pro and 10 Pro
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Media_Audio#Windows_Media_Audio_Profes...

Current Windows Media Player is 11 though.



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Andrew SaligaRe: WMA 10 Pro Encoding on a Mac
by on Oct 20, 2009 at 11:18:38 pm

Great. Thanks so much Craig.

I'll check into their reasoning tomorrow when business hours resume and post back. I doubt there is any specific reason.

Thanks for the links as well.



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Andrew SaligaRe: WMA 10 Pro Encoding on a Mac
by on Oct 20, 2009 at 11:20:47 pm

And real quick, if this absolutely what the client needs then I assume the solution would be to dual boot my Mac and run the Windows version of Sorenson?

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Craig SeemanRe: WMA 10 Pro Encoding on a Mac
by on Oct 20, 2009 at 11:58:16 pm

You may need to double check to see if Squeeze supports WMA 10 Pro even on Windows.

The free Windows Media Encoder does so you might export to a codec that can handle and encode with that if needed.



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Craig SeemanRe: WMA 10 Pro Encoding on a Mac
by on Oct 21, 2009 at 1:12:55 am

[Andrew Saliga] " I can outpur WMA Pro 9, but don't have the option for version 10."

Flip4Mac only has WMP Pro 9 audio. I'm not sure why you're asking about 10 though.

[Andrew Saliga] "Is this possible to do on a Mac since Microsoft isn't supporting any future release of Windows Media Player after 10? "

Windows Media Player up to 11 on WIndows so I'm not sure what your intent is hear. Certainly Silverlight is what they're pushing as a browser plugin but that's not a desktop player though. I think it'll be some time before every WMV is embedded in a Silverlight player.





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Andrew SaligaRe: WMA 10 Pro Encoding on a Mac
by on Oct 21, 2009 at 3:03:38 pm

Sorry, I meant that Microsoft isn't supporting future releases of Windows Media Player for Mac.

I spoke with a friend running Sorenson on a PC and it does offer WMA 10 Pro encoding.

Does Windows Media Encoder allow for custom settings on bit rates and such or is it only presets?

I read over those articles a few times, but couldn't really see too much of a reason why one would go with 10 vs. 9 other than efficiency. Are there any other reasons that stand out to you?

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Craig SeemanRe: WMA 10 Pro Encoding on a Mac
by on Oct 21, 2009 at 3:44:49 pm

[Andrew Saliga] "Does Windows Media Encoder allow for custom settings on bit rates and such or is it only presets? "

Fairly complete custom setting control.

[Andrew Saliga] " I read over those articles a few times, but couldn't really see too much of a reason why one would go with 10 vs. 9 other than efficiency." That's the basics. That's why I ask because in nearly all cases 9 Pro will do just fine and you can do that right now.

[Andrew Saliga] "Sorry, I meant that Microsoft isn't supporting future releases of Windows Media Player for Mac. "
Flip4Mac fills that role and they work from Microsoft SDK. It should play the Pro audio formats and it will create 9 Pro. There are files Flip4Mac will play that WMP9Mac can't. The only "other way around" is WMP9Mac can play Audio 9 Voice codec and F4M can't. Microsoft has moved away from that codec though.

9 Pro may work for them just fine buy they might be wondering why they see 9 Pro instead of 10 Pro





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Andrew SaligaRe: WMA 10 Pro Encoding on a Mac
by on Oct 21, 2009 at 6:04:47 pm

It looks like I'm locked into outputting with WMA 10 Pro. I spoke with the account exec at the ad agency and she didn't really know why the client wants version 10 vs. 9, she just said that's what they need.

Unlikely that they would know any different, but this is for our largest client, so I'll make sure I get them what they need whatever it takes.

Our animators dual boot their Macs, so while one was at lunch I downloaded the WME to check it out. It looks like it gives me enough options, but I didn't see the WMA 10 Pro as an option. He came back before I could check for WMP updates, but am I correct in assuming that 10 Pro was absent only because of a needed update? I would have that downloading the latest WME would give me up-to-date codecs.

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Craig SeemanRe: WMA 10 Pro Encoding on a Mac
by on Oct 21, 2009 at 6:15:29 pm

I've you sure you looked through WME carefully. Windows Media Audio 10 Professional is available. If may depend on how you're setting it up though since it may not be available if you're starting with certain presets.

Dual boot is a good thing. I do it too for the very same reasons. If Squeeze for Windows can do it that would give you more input options since WME can be finicky over the type of source files it can handle.

BTW, I did send a message to Telestream about 10 Pro support. I noticed it's not there in Episode either.



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Andrew SaligaRe: WMA 10 Pro Encoding on a Mac
by on Oct 21, 2009 at 6:24:47 pm

It's possible that I just overlooked the setting since I was rushing.

Squeeze for Windows and dual booting it is. Any idea if the ON2 VP6 plugin I bought yesterday for the Mac version of Sorenson can be transferred over to the new PC copy I have to buy?

Thanks for contacting Telestream. 10 Pro support would indeed be a nice update.

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Andrew SaligaRe: WMA 10 Pro Encoding on a Mac
by on Oct 21, 2009 at 8:19:41 pm

Looks like the solution will now be a dedicated PC for encoding.

Opinions on specs I should look for? What do you think of this Dell?

http://www.dell.com/us/en/business/desktops/workstation-precision-t3500/pd....

-Andrew Saliga

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Craig SeemanRe: WMA 10 Pro Encoding on a Mac
by on Oct 21, 2009 at 8:45:50 pm

If time is money I'd consider getting an 8 core beast.

If you want an ultimate Window Media encoder consider Microsoft Expressions encoder.
For all around I'd suggest Telestream Episode over Squeeze but they are both good and both cross platform so compressionists bouncing between Mac and Windows won't have to learn an new interface.
If your needs are light the the free Windows Media Encoder is still good. Keeping "light" in mind a Core 2 Duo is fine if you don't need it done "yesterday."



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Andrew SaligaRe: WMA 10 Pro Encoding on a Mac
by on Oct 21, 2009 at 8:49:57 pm

I don't mean to ask the world of you, haha. I'm rushing around looking to. This project is suddenly rush.


$1000 to spend on PC.

I'm thinking 4GB RAM quad core 2ish GHz....trying to buy today!

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Andrew SaligaRe: WMA 10 Pro Encoding on a Mac
by on Oct 21, 2009 at 8:51:20 pm

And you have any experience with Gateway? I used to edit with Avid on a Dell, but my general thoughts on Gateway aren't good. I don't know that I have any particular reason to think that though...

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Andrew SaligaRe: WMA 10 Pro Encoding on a Mac
by on Oct 22, 2009 at 12:12:23 am

Murphy's law is at it again. Windows 7 release is tomorrow and most all computers are preloaded with Windows 7 and cannot be sold until tomorrow.

Awesome.

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Craig SeemanRe: WMA 10 Pro Encoding on a Mac
by on Oct 22, 2009 at 12:22:14 am

OEM Windows 7 is already available. You can't get that from Dell though since they're the OEM in question. Many places sell OEM if you're a system builder.



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Andrew SaligaRe: WMA 10 Pro Encoding on a Mac
by on Oct 22, 2009 at 5:44:59 pm

Yeah, since I was in such a pinch I had to go to Best Buy to buy a PC, but they couldn't sell me one since they updated their stock with only Windows 7 machines.

Luckily I have a PC that I had to buy in college which was up to the task of these encodes. Although yesterday was chaotic, it's turned out for the better since I now can find a computer that better suites our needs here.

I guess Windows 7 isn't officially supported by Sorenson yet, so I'm hesitant to run it. Also, I didn't see any info on Sorenson's sight, but do they support 64-bit systems?

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