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importing AE comps into Final Cut....confusion
by dean chapman on Jun 19, 2009 at 5:21:05 am

Wondering how i should output my comp from AE, if i want to import it into final cut (version 5).
my sequence settings for final cut are based on footage shot on a DVX-100 (23.98 fps) with an anamorphic lens adapter (so i guess it's squeezed while shooting, then final cut unsqueezes it when you bring it in).......when i'm in AE, im not sure how to deal with the whole square pixel deal or if i export it as an animation or whatever......kinda confused on the whole process.
also, maybe kinda a bozo question, but i was wondering if it's any better to export the final cut footage and import that into AE, and work from there?

Thanks!

-dean

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Re: importing AE comps into Final Cut....confusion
by Dave LaRonde on Jun 19, 2009 at 2:47:17 pm

Use AE's DV Widescreen comp preset. The frame rate should be 23.976 fps. It should NOT be 23.98 -- that's just a cruel nickname for the actual frame rate, 23.976.

Depending on what you'll do with the file(s) rendered from AE, you should either render in the DV codec (lossy, but okay if left as is in AE)...
or the Animation codec set to best quality (lossless, but stands up to multiple FCP effects applied... and it WILL require rendering).

Get to know the Pixel Aspect Ratio Compensation toggle switch, located at the bottom of the comp window. Don't worry if text & such looks jagged: everything renders nice 'n smooth.

Oh... in FCP, you may have to check the footage's Anamorphic check box in the Browser to get it to look right.

Dave LaRonde
Sr. Promotion Producer
KCRG-TV (ABC) Cedar Rapids, IA

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Re: importing AE comps into Final Cut....confusion
by dean chapman on Jun 19, 2009 at 7:44:03 pm

Thanks Dave,

Now, i'm just comparing a title sequence that i imported into FCP, from AE.....and it just doesn't look quite as crisp as it does when working directly with FCP text....am i missing something?

Also, wondering if i have a 5 minute movie in FCP and i'm ready to do some AE tweaks...do i import comps from AE into FCP...or do i export my FCP movie into AE and work from there?

thanks again,

-dean

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Re: importing AE comps into Final Cut....confusion
by Dave LaRonde on Jun 19, 2009 at 8:19:21 pm

[dean chapman] "...i'm just comparing a title sequence that i imported into FCP, from AE.....and it just doesn't look quite as crisp as it does when working directly with FCP text....am i missing something?"

Nope. The DV codec treats graphics and text the way a baby treats a diaper.

If you were to export your FCP timeline with its nice, crisp text as a self contained movie, you would discover it didn't look quite as nice once you reimported it back into FCP.

DV is a lossy codec: it loses picture information. There's not a whole lot you can do about it except use something better, which means you pay more for your camera, more for your storage (because you'll need more of it, more for an AJA or Blackmagic card... you get the idea.

Dave LaRonde
Sr. Promotion Producer
KCRG-TV (ABC) Cedar Rapids, IA

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Re: importing AE comps into Final Cut....confusion
by dean chapman on Jun 20, 2009 at 12:36:51 am

ahh, i see...
thank you.

one last follow up on this....for this particular project i'm working on...where i have to produce title sequences and some cool Stacy Peralta-esque graphics.....do i import video into AE and manipulate from there, or do i make a bunch of comps in AE and overlay them on top of my video in FCP?

thank you, Dave

-dean

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Re: importing AE comps into Final Cut....confusion
by Dave LaRonde on Jun 22, 2009 at 10:37:44 pm

I'd do it in AE if it were my project.

Dave LaRonde
Sr. Promotion Producer
KCRG-TV (ABC) Cedar Rapids, IA

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Re: importing AE comps into Final Cut....confusion
by dean chapman on Jun 23, 2009 at 12:02:22 am

Cool!

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Re: importing AE comps into Final Cut....confusion
by Daniel Greeney on Oct 5, 2009 at 8:48:47 pm

Hi Dave and Dean,
Sorry to butt in, but I'm a little confused by Dave's response here. When you say that the image won't look as crisp because DV is a lossy codec, you're only referring to the imported *text*, right? It was my understanding that DV is *not* lossy when it is exported. It's just ones and zeroes. It is only lossy when coming from a higher-quality source, right? Or when originating on tape, where I understand it is a 5 to 1 compression. It's not *re*-compressing 5 to 1 each time it is exported.

On a recent project of my own, I have exported the same Quicktime files with minor edits out of Final Cut and then re-imported and exported *those* files countless times (I won't bore you with the reason why), and have done direct footage comparison and there is no difference with the original raw data and the 6th copy. (Keep in mind the original footage was DV).

Otherwise, the workflow you describe is sound for AE.

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