FE- CC
by mark cookman
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Jun 12, 2008 at 10:44:37 am
I need to work on some old projects that used FE particles - now known as CC particles causing a "plug missing" problem even though they are same software.
I tried to open the .aep in a text editior and change the effect name but no good.
How can I open these effects heavy projects properly?
Re: FE- CC by david bogie on Jun 12, 2008 at 5:34:50 pm
Contact cycore? drop by their site. I think they had a workaround for several forward-looking compatibility issues. Sorry I don't have a quick answer. My legacy FE projects were simple enough to just rebuild; didn't take too long.
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Re: FE- CC by Jens Enqvist on Jun 13, 2008 at 7:22:47 am
In some cases it is possible to rename the effects by opening the project file as you described but not always since CC effects have been updated with new options, controls and modified control ranges.
The failsafe and tedious way is as David suggested, bring up the missing effect controls and replicate them.
Another way, still tedious but depending on how your animation is built could save some time. Copy the missing effects values and keyframes from the timeline, paste them in a text editor, replace the effect name with corresponding CC name, copy it and paste back in AE. It is similar to what you tried but the project file is a "binary" file and not as safe to edit as text files.
Sorry about the trouble!
Re: FE- CC by mark cookman on Jun 13, 2008 at 7:37:53 am
nice one :-) I was just on Cycore site looking for further tips and I hadn't notced that CS3 was trying to help with missing plugs - great new feature.
btw do you hear any insider news re image lounge? - its stopped us from being able to use intel macs (legacy work again).
Re: FE- CC by Jens Enqvist on Jun 13, 2008 at 8:25:41 am
Not even sure who's holding the code to Image Lounge these days.
Sad to see such a great package fade away. Hopefully someone will pick up development and update it soon.
Although I still keep an old dual G5 for legacy work and testing, we have begun thinking about when to drop PowerPC support!
Re: FE- CC by Ron Lindeboom on Jun 13, 2008 at 12:11:45 pm
[mark cookman]"Only a guess but I personally reckon it will be bundled into adobe - like yourselves."
Even when it was completely in limbo and was not even a currently shipping product held by anybody, Adobe didn't scarf it up and add it to AE. Now that Red Giant holds it in quasi-limbo, I doubt that its future will change little -- if at all. Like Jens, I find that sad as Stoney Ballard wrote some great plug-ins with Image Lounge. At one time ImLo were some of my favorite plug-ins. I lost touch with them years ago.
I wish Adobe would buy Image Lounge but I am not holding my breath waiting for it to happen and surely wouldn't bet on it.
Best regards,
Ron Lindeboom
Remember: Burt Bacharach lied. What the world really needs now is an undo button.
Re: FE- CC by Jens Enqvist on Jun 13, 2008 at 2:04:17 pm
I agree with Ron, I also unfortunately find it unlikely that Adobe would pick them up now, unless Red Giant has a dedicated developer hooked up with the code ready to update them first.
I really liked Stoneys implementations and seeing as they have been around so long, Adobe would probably make a great home for them.
Updated to universal binary and float would surely make Adobe more interested but it would also make them a lot more expensive to bundle...
Re: FE- CC by Kevin Camp on Jun 13, 2008 at 3:13:39 pm
if you need to get those older powerpc native effects to work on your macpro, run cs3 under rosetta. to do this, select the ae application, choose file>get info, then check the box that says something like 'open under rosetta'.
if the powerpc effects are installed in the cs3 plugins folder, you'll be able to access them in ae running under rosetta. i can't guarantee they'll all work really well, but i've been doing this for several older projects specifically to get use of image lounge effects and i haven't had many issues...
hopefully red giant (or someone) will update these effects.
Re: FE- CC by Ron Lindeboom on Jun 13, 2008 at 5:58:25 pm
That is probably high, Mark. But even if it were half to a third of that or less, Image Lounge never sold very well -- which was sad as they were a great set -- so recovering the investment would be highly unlikely.
Best regards,
Ron Lindeboom
Remember: Burt Bacharach lied. What the world really needs now is an undo button.
Re: FE- CC by Jens Enqvist on Jun 13, 2008 at 10:00:19 pm
That's perhaps a little too much.
One tenth would probably be enough if you knew where to find your developers and half that if you didn't ;-)
You'd want it done right though. This is perhaps why AE plug-ins are still considered a bit expensive by some. To get AE plug-ins to do the "right" thing takes a little extra effort.
Thinking back at the days where I wrote Pixar shaders, doing a simple checkerboard shader is basic, but doing it "right" would take much longer (correct antialiasing). Add motion blur support and you easily add another grand to the development cost.
If I'm not completely wrong, the displacement shader for Bugs Life dried riverbed took 6 months full time development to achieve.
I unfortunately don't know what a Pixar developer earns, but I doubt it's anywhere less than 100k.
If you wanted IL in float and native motionblur then, ok 400k$ might be an approriate figure!
That would significantly affect the upgrade cost for AE9/CS4!
Re: FE- CC by mark cookman on Jun 18, 2008 at 7:55:13 am
On inquiring to Red Giant I received this reply Jun 13, they have always made the right noises but time rolls on:
We recently released Image Lounge and Composite Wizard CS3 support for Windows operating systems but the Mac Intel versions are still being worked on. I would recommend signing up for our newsletter which will keep you up-to-date with release dates since sometimes I'm one of the last people to be informed. There is a small place to sign-up for the newsletter in the lower right side of:www.redgiantsoftware.com
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