Storage and raid quesion for ideal AE 1080p workflow.
by Clint Nitkiewicz Hernandez
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May 14, 2008 at 1:17:38 am
Hows it going.
I am not going to go out and buy an external raid system, one of those you see for $$$$+, instead, I have an intel mac g5 system, and would like to build an internal raid which will perhaps be equivalent to an external raid system.
I basically only need 2-3 terabytes of space on my raid, I will be cutting a feature and doing effects on the same machine.
What would be the best internal hardrives to put inside and build my raid. SATA? ATA? Scuzzie is out of the question, right? Also I heard not to buy these from the apple store, regarding their failure expectations. Also how should I strike them? Raid 0, raid 5? How many internal drives, fill up the slots right?
And assuming this is efficient for AE to run uncompressed HD footage at 8 bit and 1920x1080p @ 24fps, this should be okay for final cut pro as well correct?
I may already have the right answers but would like to confirm with some other pros out there before I go buy the cheapest drives I can find.
Thanks so much.
Clint Nitkiewicz Hernandez
www.newelementproductions.com
Film-Maker/ Blu-ray Author/ Compositor
Re: Storage and raid quesion for ideal AE 1080p workflow. by Brendan Coots on May 14, 2008 at 7:50:01 am
The G5 only has two spare drive bays, so "filling them up" won't be too tough. The only way to meet your space needs (2-3TB) is to use the largest drives you can get these days, 1TB. As a result, you can have a maximum of 2TB space which falls at the low end of your space needs.
As for working with 1920x1080 uncompressed 8-bit HD, the datarate for a single layer of this footage is 120MBps (that's megabytes). Two drives striped together in RAID 0 might get you 80MBps on a good day, but that speed will drop quickly as the drives fill up with footage. This 2-drive setup falls far short of your speed requirements, and that's only for one layer. If you expect to have several layers of HD footage in Final Cut Pro, the requirements go up.
This setup WILL "handle" uncompressed HD footage in FCP, but it will be slow and certainly won't play back full quality in real-time. This is why people buy those expensive RAID boxes you mentioned. On that note, OSX only does RAID 0 and 1, you can't do RAID 5 without a controller card which starts at around $400. RAID 5 also requires a minimum of three drives, which is out of your capacity range without a separate drive enclosure. I should add that RAID 0 is highly risky unless you plan to do daily backups of your project and source materials, which will require you to have another 1-2TB worth of external drives handy.
With After Effects, the hard drive speed plays a smaller role since so much of your work in AE involves RAM previews, not real-time disk previews. If you plan to do 1920x1080 uncompressed HD work in AE, it's RAM that you will need, and a lot of it (think 6-8GB).
Re: Storage and raid quesion for ideal AE 1080p workflow. by Jimmy Brunger on May 15, 2008 at 9:49:14 am
Have you got an Intel box (Mac Pro) or a G5? They are two different machines. You might have space in the Mac Pro (new one) if you use the spare optical drive bay aswell (I *think* you can fit 2 more drives in there) There is a comany who makes a kit to do this...
I remember when I was looking to setup an all-in-one HD playback in FCP & AE machine all contained in tower it was doable in RAID5. you'll need something like a CalDigit hardware RAID controller, a bunch of fast drives and then you should get 1-2 streams of uncompressed HD depending on your setup. Many more layers than that and you'll need to look at an external box.
Look up 'hardware raid' or 'uncompressed HD raid' or something like that here on the cow and you should find my posts/threads about this. I haven't got time to search myself at the mo.
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