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Sound in 3d space
by Brossy on Jul 25, 2007 at 6:38:40 am

Hi all,

Here's what I want to do. I want to have a camera moving through a 3d space, such as a hallway, and the hallway walls are lined with video clips.

I could do that, but what I want to know is if you can embed sound in 3d space relative to the camera position, so as it flies past the video, the sound fades in and out again as it passes by.

The only way I know how to do this would be to 'fake' it with sound editing programs and just try and match the timing up.

So yeah, is there anyway to position audio in 3d space?



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Re: Sound in 3d space
by Aharon Rabinowitz on Jul 25, 2007 at 1:04:58 pm

Audio editing all the way.

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Re: Sound in 3d space
by Aharon Rabinowitz on Jul 25, 2007 at 1:06:12 pm

Although, now that I say that, you *might* be able to use expression where the sound is linked to a Null object, and based on how far away and which side of the camera it's on, it get's louder and pans.

You might want to post this in the AE expressions forum.

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Re: Sound in 3d space
by Dave LaRonde on Jul 25, 2007 at 2:37:05 pm

[Brossy] "what I want to know is if you can embed sound in 3d space relative to the camera position, so as it flies past the video, the sound fades in and out again as it passes by."

[Aharon Rabinowitz] "you *might* be able to use expression where the sound is linked to a Null object, and based on how far away and which side of the camera it's on, it get's louder and pans."

Even if there is such an expression, consider that for each sound source, you'd have to create a separate audio file for proper surround mixing.

Consider these points, too:
AE certainly isn't the best application going to create surround audio, so you'd end up in an audio application anyway.
And then, what if you didn't like the results from the audio files created in AE? You'd have to modify the expression in AE and recreate the audio files, with little guarantee that you'd like the results any better.

In this case, I think your first impulse was the proper choice. I'd go straight to an audio application. An audio application is designed to do the job properly. An application primarily concerned with video compositing probably isn't the best choice.

Dave LaRonde
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Re: Sound in 3d space
by Aharon Rabinowitz on Jul 25, 2007 at 3:08:19 pm

of course, you're absolutely right.

Still, you have to admit this would make a really interesting experiment. They do similar stuff in 3D where there is audio driven by the animation, and I'd love to see this in AE.

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Re: Sound in 3d space
by Dave LaRonde on Jul 25, 2007 at 3:12:36 pm

[Aharon Rabinowitz] "...you have to admit this would make a really interesting experiment."

Yup.

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Re: Sound in 3d space
by Darby Edelen on Jul 25, 2007 at 4:42:17 pm

[Dave LaRonde] "AE certainly isn't the best application going to create surround audio, so you'd end up in an audio application anyway."

That's a good point, but then the question becomes: did the original poster want true 5.1 audio or would stereo panning and levels suffice?

Darby Edelen
DVD Menu Artist
Left Coast Digital
Aptos, CA

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Re: Sound in 3d space
by Darby Edelen on Jul 25, 2007 at 4:38:27 pm

[Brossy] "The only way I know how to do this would be to 'fake' it with sound editing programs and just try and match the timing up.

So yeah, is there anyway to position audio in 3d space?"


You could do this using expressions. I did something similar once, but it was pretty rudimentary. The proper way to do it would be to find the position relative to the camera, and the relative angle from the view so that you could alter the levels of the right and left channels independently. It is a little complicated to set up, but then it gives you your results automatically.

I'll try to re-hash my old expression with some new fangled techniques I didn't know at the time if you think that would be helpful.

Darby Edelen
DVD Menu Artist
Left Coast Digital
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Re: Sound in 3d space
by yikesmikes on Jul 25, 2007 at 5:31:41 pm

Filip has some nice sound expressions for volume (percentage control) and panning, here:

http://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/2/882399?

His Doppler effect in 3D:

http://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/2/868747?

Surround Sound, here:

http://forums.creativecow.net/cgi-bin/new_read_post.cgi?forumid=227&postid=...

Ask Filip at the AE Expressions Forum for details:

http://forums.creativecow.net/viewforum/227







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Re: Sound in 3d space
by Brossy on Jul 26, 2007 at 1:26:28 am

Thanks for the replies and discussion guys.

I thought it seemed a little too good to be true, :P.

Surround would be brilliant, but stereo with fading would be good enough for me to show off to my friends.

I'll check out those links that were just posted.

Also, the main reason I didn't post in expressions forum, is because expressions still scare me...



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