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Erik MickelsonMocha AE in CS6?
by on Apr 26, 2012 at 3:51:21 pm

Anyone notice if Mocha AE was included with CS6? It would be a shame to upgrade now, while it's discounted, only to find it came as a freebie for CS6.

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Dave LaRondeRe: Mocha AE in CS6?
by on Apr 26, 2012 at 4:01:26 pm

Mocha 3 for AE comes bundled in AE 11, aka CS 6.

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Juan SalvoRe: Mocha AE in CS6?
by on Apr 26, 2012 at 4:10:04 pm

I was told the bundled version is MochaAE 2.7. not 3. Unfortunately.

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Ross ShainRe: Mocha AE in CS6?
by on Apr 26, 2012 at 7:40:40 pm

This is not true and a very important distinction for mocha users to understand. CS6 does not ship with mocha AE v3.

Adobe After Effects CS6 ships with "mocha AE CS6". This is "NOT" mocha AE v3.

mocha AE CS6 offers the same functionality found in CS5.5 with the added bonus of a send to mocha button to launch mocha from within AE and set proper project setting.

mocha AE v3 is only available from Imagineer Systems or authorized reseller channel. mocha AE v3 contains features not found in the Adobe bundle including:

new 3D camera Solver
new roto tools: Transform tool & Join Layers
new dopesheet keyframe editor
updated layer manager, shortcuts and more

mocha AE v3 also supports Apple Motion, Final Cut Pro v7 and Boris FX.

mocha AE v3 also supports AE CS4, CS5, CS5.5 & CS6 for those not ready to upgrade.

Upgrade is $195 from any registered mocha AE bundle version.

We have a few new links to help customer understand the differences:
Upgrade Guide: http://www.imagineersystems.com/upgrade-guide
Compare products: http://www.imagineersystems.com/compare-products
FAQ: http://www.imagineersystems.com/purchase/pre-sales-faq

Please contact sales@imagineersystems if you have any questions.

Ross Shain
Imagineer Systems
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Erik MickelsonRe: Mocha AE in CS6?
by on Apr 26, 2012 at 8:02:04 pm

I like Dave's answer best. Why would Adobe bundle "old", "crippled" plugins with new software?

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Ross ShainRe: Mocha AE in CS6?
by on Apr 26, 2012 at 8:10:55 pm

CS6 has been updated with mocha AE CS6. Just does not include the features and support found in mocha AE v3 sold by Imagineer.

Ross Shain
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Dave LaRondeRe: Mocha AE in CS6?
by on Apr 26, 2012 at 8:34:14 pm

[Erik Mickelson] "I like Dave's answer best. Why would Adobe bundle "old", "crippled" plugins with new software?"

I like it too, but apparently it's wrong.

It's interesting that the comparison chart to which Ross points makes no mention of Mocha AE CS6, although it's apparently a subset of Mocha 3; you'd think they'd like to point out what AE users could get with an upgrade.

I'm reminded of Apple's long-ago claim that Final Cut Pro "works with any frame rate! mix them if you want!" and Adobe's long-ago claim, "accelerate your rendering with Open GL!" In both instances the more truthful statement would have been, "It's a train wreck! Don't do it!".

Caveat Emptor.

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Ross ShainRe: Mocha AE in CS6?
by on Apr 26, 2012 at 8:58:54 pm

Hi Dave,
There is no marketing speak going on. The drop date to be included in CS6 was very early and simply did not allow Imagineer to get all the new features ready in time.

In most basic terms:
mocha AE CS6 is still totally relevant for planar tracking and roto for AE users.

mocha AE v3 adds new 3D Camera Solve, new roto and keyframe tools and supports AE users that do not wish to upgrade or require added support for Motion, Boris & FCP.

We'll try to update that comparison chart in the near future.

Best,
Ross

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Dave LaRondeRe: Mocha AE in CS6?
by on Apr 26, 2012 at 9:15:38 pm

[Ross Shain] "There is no marketing speak going on. "

Glad to hear that. In which case, since there's no chart, I have a naming suggestion: "Mocha 3 AE CS 6". Which is what it is.

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Erik MickelsonRe: Mocha AE in CS6?
by on Apr 26, 2012 at 9:21:16 pm

"There is no marketing speak going on. The drop date to be included in CS6 was very early and simply did not allow Imagineer to get all the new features ready in time."

I don't think AE CS6 has shipped yet(I could be wrong, but it does not appear to be running on my computer the last time I looked). There is still time to get it included with the software release. Looks like Imagineer did get the features ready in time after all! Hooray!

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Ross ShainRe: Mocha AE in CS6?
by on Apr 26, 2012 at 9:23:20 pm

No - the version that ships with AE CS6 is not a v3 version and does not align with the v3 versions of other mocha products.

It is called mocha AE CS6 to insure that people know it only supports the AE version that it is bundled with.

Imagineer will continue to put out 3.x point releases throughout the year, but the CS6 build will remain the current feature set.

I think with that we can wrap the thread?

Thanks,
Ross

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Dave LaRondeRe: Mocha AE in CS6?
by on Apr 26, 2012 at 9:38:09 pm

[Ross Shain] "...the version that ships with AE CS6 is not a v3 version and does not align with the v3 versions of other mocha products....
Imagineer will continue to put out 3.x point releases throughout the year, but the CS6 build will remain the current feature set.

I think with that we can wrap the thread? "



Sure can. Thanks for the warning. I'll keep it in mind for future misconceptions.

Dave LaRonde
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Ross ShainRe: Mocha AE in CS6?
by on Jun 21, 2012 at 2:33:11 pm

Hi folks,
I promised we'd update the mocha compare products chart to see how the bundled CS6 mocha AE compares with other mocha products...

Sorry for the delay, but here it is:

http://www.imagineersystems.com/compare-products

Ross Shain
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Dave LaRondeRe: Mocha AE in CS6?
by on Jun 21, 2012 at 2:44:27 pm

Thank you! That's a very big help.

Dave LaRonde
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brian mcleanRe: Mocha AE in CS6?
by on Jul 18, 2012 at 6:02:19 pm

Ok what is the difference between the Mocha that came with CS5 and CS6?


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Ross ShainRe: Mocha AE in CS6?
by on Jul 25, 2012 at 5:46:18 pm

There are not major feature differences between mocha AE CS5 and CS6 other than current stability and optimization fixes.

The only significant difference is that mocha AE CS6 is launched from within AE's animation menu and mocha AE CS5 is launched as a separate application.

Again - you'll find the major differences between what ships with Adobe and what can be upgraded to here: http://www.imagineersystems.com/compare-products

Please let me know know if you have specific questions.

Ross Shain
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Graham HutchinsRe: Mocha AE in CS6?
by on Aug 9, 2012 at 1:59:04 am

Hi Ross,

I have a specific question.

How do I reopen a saved Mocha project that I send from After Effects?

When I save a Mocha project, shut down Mocha, and then try to re-open the project by double clicking it, I get "License Error: mocha AE CS6 must only be launched from After Effects".

I get that I can launch it from AE, but do I really have to send a random clip to Mocha within AE just to open a project?

Doesn't really make much sense.

Thanks for your time.

-Graham

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Steve HillRe: Mocha AE in CS6?
by on Aug 20, 2012 at 4:28:36 pm

Why is it I can't see Mocha-ae in my CS6 AE effects panel. Am I missing something, on my mac book and my power mac, it just isn't there - only Mocha Shape.

The programme appears when I search the files and if I click on it it tells me it must be opened in AE, but how?


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Ross ShainRe: Mocha AE in CS6?
by on Aug 20, 2012 at 5:28:09 pm

In CS6, you use the "send to mocha" command found under the AE animation menu.

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Steve HillRe: Mocha AE in CS6?
by on Aug 20, 2012 at 5:58:28 pm

Yes I know - but the link did not appear. I have re-installed and it is now there, but now I am getting an openGL error when I try to bring bring in the file.


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Ross ShainRe: Mocha AE in CS6?
by on Aug 20, 2012 at 6:01:35 pm

Strange. Try going to the preferences after launching mocha AE and turn off "use hw rendering. Then relaunch mocha AE.

Otherwise, best to log this with support:
http://www.imagineersystems.com/support

Ross Shain
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Phil SmothersRe: Mocha AE in CS6?
by on Oct 6, 2012 at 8:28:11 pm

But where is Mocha for AE CS6? I can't locate anywhere after my install.

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Tom DaigonRe: Mocha AE in CS6?
by on Oct 6, 2012 at 8:55:50 pm

Phil, it is embedded in AE. To use it...

1. Highlight the clip in your comp

2. Go to Animation/Track in Mocha

And Mocha will open up. Its been integrated into CS6 so you must have AE open to access Mocha.

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