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SATA Drives, out of space in case

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Benjamin18SATA Drives, out of space in case
by on Feb 4, 2007 at 5:23:42 am

I've got a little problem here. We're about to start production on a feature film in 720p24pn HD. We're expecting anywhere from 100 minutes to 140 minutes of raw footage. The cheapest solution, and frankly the only one I can afford, is to buy two internal 500GB SATA drives, for $150 each, and stripe them together as a RAID. This is all fine and dandy, except, my case only has room for one more drive. So... what do I do?

Do I just drill holes in the side of my case, and route the SATA and power cables through those, and just have the drives sitting on the ground? I have no idea.

I simply cannot afford an external array, and I can't afford a new case, and I can't afford to buy an external 1 TB FW800 drive.

What do I do? Is there some solution for this? Is there an external case I can buy that holds the drives, that doesn't cost a lot?

Anything you guys can recommend, would be awesome... just keep in mind, I cannot go above $350 total, including drives. I know this is a pathetically small budget, but keep in mind this is a STUDENT film. ... ... a HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT film.

And sorry about posting it here instead of in the 'Windows Hardware and Software" forum, but it doesn't look like people check that one much.

Thanks for any help,
Ben Tubb


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Shane RossRe: SATA Drives, out of space in case
by on Feb 4, 2007 at 5:34:41 am

Try this...

$99 for this,

http://www.sonnettech.com/product/g5_jive.html

$199 for this:

http://www.sonnettech.com/product/tempo_sata_x4i.html
(this is the PCI-X version, there is also a PCIe version, if you have a Quad mac)

And then your drives. But...that might be much.

Try this:

http://lfhd.blogspot.com/2006/09/popsicle-raid-redeux.html

Drives are as much as you said...$300 for both. You STILL have to buy the $199 card...sorry man. Then like $35 for the cables (http://www.otherworldcomputing.com) and the popsicles...well...maybe $5 for a case. That'll fit your budget. But, this takes a bit of work and knowhow. I'd recommend Going the Jive route...it includes everything.

$600. Sorry man...I know...Cheaper than the alternatives. 1TB firewire 800 G-Raid is $1000. And this is MUCH faster.


Shane

Littlefrog Post
http://www.lfhd.net


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Benjamin18Re: SATA Drives, out of space in case
by on Feb 4, 2007 at 5:48:51 am

Ugh. Thanks for your ideas, I'm gonna look into them, but seriously. UGH. When I say we have 325 dollars, I mean, we actually have NO MONEY (We're paying for this literally out of our own wallets, and mine currently has one dollar in it), and are working at our crappy 7 dollar an hour jobs to collaboratively come up with $325 by the time we need to start shooting.

When most people say "My budget is this much" they mean that's how much they are allowed to spend. When I say it, I mean I actually don't have access to any more than that. I'm already $1,000 dollars in debt because of my HVX-200 (actually $750 in debt now, big paycheck came in, woo!).

I know what you're gonna say: "You should have stuck with MiniDV, instead of making the HD jump when you don't have the cash."

This script is awesome, and I don't want to use up this opportunity on MiniDV. Plus, last time I checked, miniDV SUCKS on a theater screen.

I'll try to see if I can sucker more money out of my parents and such, but seriously. UGH.


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Shane RossRe: SATA Drives, out of space in case
by on Feb 4, 2007 at 5:54:08 am

Sorry man...HD isn't cheap. You have choosen a great format...not falling for the HDV hype. But HD really is more expensive than DV, as more is required to work with it. I'm sorry that you only have that much in your wallet.

Hmmm...looking at your original post...you said that you are looking at 100 MINUTES to 140 MINUTES of raw footage. Now HOURS, right? Well, 140 Min at 720p 23.98 only takes up 50GB. FIFTY GB. One 500GB drive in your second slot will MORE than cover the space requirements. Even if you shot 720p60, you'd only use up 122GB of space.

There you go. One drive.

$1000 for the HVX...you mean RENTAL, right?




Shane

Littlefrog Post
http://www.lfhd.net


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Benjamin18Re: SATA Drives, out of space in case
by on Feb 4, 2007 at 6:21:50 am

.... Seriously? If so, that's good news, and bad news.

Good, because that's just saved our whole production.

Bad, because Creative Cow Magazine lied to me! haha....

In the first issue, there was a big table that told me 720p/59.94, at 8bit, 4:2:2, takes 6.3 GB a minute, and 376 GB an hour. Now you're telling me that more than two hours is only 122 GB?

Wow, I really hope that Bessie lied. That would be helpful...

So what am I missing there?


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Benjamin18Re: SATA Drives, out of space in case
by on Feb 4, 2007 at 6:23:28 am

Oh, and on the debt thing:

I bought the cam new for 5,000.

I only had 4,000.


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Benjamin18Re: SATA Drives, out of space in case
by on Feb 4, 2007 at 6:25:23 am

Ah, is that because the table's 720 HD isn't compressed with DVCProHD? That would make a whole lot of sense.

Thanks for all your help.

Ben Tubb


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Shane RossRe: SATA Drives, out of space in case
by on Feb 4, 2007 at 6:38:34 am

That table says 720p 8-bit UNCOMPRESSED takes up that amount of space. The HVX doesn't shoot uncompressed. It shoots DVCPRO HD (and DVCPRO 50, and DV25). So no, the Cow didn't lie to you. You just looked at the wrong category.

DVCPRO HD...



Shane

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rmherdRe: SATA Drives, out of space in case
by on Feb 5, 2007 at 8:00:39 pm

It's compressed to 8 bit linear. The "linear" part is the issue with regard to data compression and the data tables.
http://www.digitalpreservation.gov/formats/fdd/fdd000013.shtml
compared with
http://www.digitalpreservation.gov/formats/fdd/fdd000178.shtml

The dilemma is setting the white point and black point, the differential equation that determines how color is resolved. Personally, I am massively impressed with the ag-hvx200's ability to mix color temperature. A warming filter and polarizer are good purchases also (since you don't need the extra drive).

Moreover, this camera will force your production to be like film production (beyond run and gun) because your takes are limited to small loads.

RH


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rmherdRe: SATA Drives, out of space in case
by on Feb 5, 2007 at 7:40:30 pm

the ag-hvx200 is a smart purchase. You're wise to avoid miniDV, and also save some space on your p2s for 60fps because the slow motion is really good. Obviously you don't want every shot in slow mo, but for those important emotional bits, it's a fine effect.

RH


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Barry GreenRe: SATA Drives, out of space in case
by on Feb 5, 2007 at 8:23:15 pm

[Benjamin18] "We're expecting anywhere from 100 minutes to 140 minutes of raw footage."

You could fit that on a 60GB hard disk. You certainly don't need a terabyte SATA RAID! You could edit realtime 720/24p from an external firewire drive. Get 120GB or so to make sure you have some spare space, but this should be an under-$100 proposition.


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