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New Red Epic and Scarlet
by Phil Hoppes on Nov 16, 2008 at 2:48:33 pm

So Scott, are you drooling yet? Quite an announcement of products.

http://www.red.com/epic_scarlet/

Can you believe a 261Mp imager at 25fps ...... good thing we are close to Palo Verde. Me thinks one will need this to power it up. Uncompressed at 16bits that is around 428,000 Gbps. At a 1000:1 compression they are still talking about 500Gbps. Yeowza!!!!!!!!

Very cool product outlay. I think they need to come out and give a demo to the AFCPUG.

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Re: New Red Epic and Scarlet
by Scott Anderson on Nov 16, 2008 at 5:43:33 pm

Since the beginning, it's really been the Redcode Raw wavelet compression and the Dynamic Range of the sensors that get me excited.

I mean, 11+ stops on a 2/3" sensor for, say, $5,000 including accessories? Raw motion capture workflow at a realistic price? 4K at 36 MB/s? Talk about disruptive technologies...

Jim Jannard also stated yesterday that they're confident they can deliver the fixed-lens Scarlet "under $4K for sure".

I see the whole 9K and 28K announcements as a response to the inevitable, quick march of DSLRs toward motion capture. Red's flinging a shot across the bow, saying "yeah, we can go there, too, and get there faster and better than you. We already have the codec and sensors that will scale to just about any application you can think of".

If Red can pull this off (and the Red One is a pretty good indicator they can), they'll end up owning almost every market segment out there right now, plus creating 1 or 2 new ones.

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Re: New Red Epic and Scarlet
by Bill Davis on Nov 19, 2008 at 8:56:47 pm

I sure hope your guys optimism is correct this time.

I believe in the vision and promise of the Red Team. But I can't shake the disappointment with the path to market that hobbled Red One.

Clearly Jannard and Co can brilliantly envision. They can generate stunning CAD/CAM realizations. They've also proved that they can work through prototyping and eventually delivery of real hardware and software solutions. But with Red One, that process was arduous and fraught with delay and re-evaluation and re-engineering.

And for some of us, the original promise was enticing, right up to the point where the real product was released, and we FINALLY understood that the product offered was NOTHING like our expectations.

My fervent hope is that RED has reached a company maturity where they release fully-realized products. And that those products meet real needs for real videographers in more than the current "niche" markets. (Which I see as those who need to shoot high-rez video in a workflow that roughly matches shooting Panavision gear.)

Only time will tell. How MUCH time is the key.

Scarlet - fully functioning - with an affordable back end workflow - could well be the "game changer" people discuss.

Scarlet that requires any new owner to match it with an expensive array of high-rez, high def infastructure, new software and/or computers, - in order to produce basic work - might not.

Remember, a camera alone, no matter how great, does not a video make.

Let's all keep our fingers crossed.

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Re: New Red Epic and Scarlet
by Mitch Ives on Nov 25, 2008 at 3:51:30 pm

And before the ink was dry, yet another, more startling announcement coming:

RED promises "big change" on Dec. 3rd
RED already has a second major announcement due early next month, company head Jim Jannard says in a community teaser. Having just launched the EPIC and Scarlet revisions and the DSMC system earlier this month, the greater-than-HD camera maker now promises a "big change" on December 3rd and calls the earlier announcements "insignificant" by comparison. Details of the new announcement itself remain a mystery and are unlikely to be provided until the announcement.
Speculation exists that the update will focus on the workflow for the new cameras, including the hardware and software to manage the extremely large and processor-intensive Redcode footage. Others also suggest an entirely new camera, though the tentative EPIC and Scarlet systems scale from 3K to 28K and so are likely to cover most of the expected camera needs.

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.
mitch@insightproductions.com

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Re: New Red Epic and Scarlet
by Brad Buss on Dec 2, 2008 at 10:22:09 pm

28K! That's just obscene!

Anyone know if they've improved the image quality on the new sensors for low light shooting?

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Re: New Red Epic and Scarlet
by Scott Anderson on Dec 2, 2008 at 11:32:55 pm

The published system specs from the 11/13 announcement "subject to change (of course)" are about halfway down the page:

http://www.red.com/epic_scarlet/

11+ stops for the Mysterium-X powered Scarlets and Epics, 13+ stops for the Monstro powered varieties.

This would be an improvement over the Red One's already impressive 10+ stops dynamic range. Keep in mind, the Red One has a sensor natively rated at about 320ISO, if I remember correctly. It wouldn't surprise me if the new cameras are natively rated at 400, and easily pushed to 800 or even more without objectionable grain - oops, I mean noise.

So, yeah - I don't think shooting in low light with a Scarlet or Epic will be a problem. But, in realty, who knows yet. Maybe a clearer picture tomorrow...

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