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Sverker HahnHow much better?
by on Sep 6, 2008 at 12:49:12 am

I use a Sony EX1. Great camera. But sometimes there is a lot of noise in dark areas and very bright areas tend to be washed out (common problem, I know).

So will the Flash XDR and the Nano give better clips regarding these things?

I have seen the pics comparing different bitrates - but still I wonder ..

And this thing with 10-bit color - when do I need it? In post, do I get more possibilities to correct colors, or what?

Sorry for what I think is basic question for you pros.


Sverker Hahn, Stockholm

Slower is better!

Sony EX1
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Tim KolbRe: 10 bit, higher bitrate, How much better?
by on Sep 25, 2008 at 5:36:58 pm

The dynamic range of the camera is a separate issue from the codec or bitrate... detail in the darker areas can be affected by compression, but digital clip is digital clip, and the brightest areas of a conventional video image simply don't carry as much saturation as midtones and shadows.

As far as quality...higher bitrates always make a difference, but when you add bits to a really low bitrate, it makes quite a difference. Lighting a match doesn't throw a ton of light...unless you're standing in the dark.

10 bit vs 8 bit. Many people confuse this with having a wider dynamic range (brighter whites and more detailed blacks), but this isn't the case. In the codec world (which I dabble in) we would use the word "precision" after these figures. Every 'bit' has an 'on' and 'off' state if you will...the zeros and ones that make up data. One bit would be the equivalent of ancient terminal CRTs...each pixel is lit...or not. Adding a bit gives us another on and off switch, which when you look at the 2 states of the first bit and multiple it by the two states of the second bit...you have four possible states...add another bit for a total of 3 bits and double that giving you eight states, or 'shades' if you're referring to imaging...

4 bit=16 shades or states
5 bit=32
6 bit=64
7 bit=128
8 bit=256
9 bit=512
10 bit =1024

So, an RGB '8 bit file' is usually being referred to as shorthand for '8 bits per channel'...some would refer to it as a 24 bit file with the combined channels, and adding an 8 bit alpha channel gives you a 32 bit file in the case of a Targa or similar file format.

Now...notice the difference between 8 bits per channel and 10 bits per channel. The possible values inside each channel quadruple. You have the same color range subdivided into four times smaller increments. The subtlety of shades within the palette is increased significantly. How significantly? Let's do the math:

256 x 256 x 256 = 16,777,216 total colors, 8 bit palette

1024 x 1024 x 1024 = 1,073,741,824 total colors, 10 bit palette

Pretty good jump.

This would make a difference in a situation where you have subtle gradient and you need to color correct. Let's say you have a circle of light under streetlight that falls off as you get more distant from the source...that gradient will 'posterize' or 'band' much quicker if you adjust the picture in an 8 bit environment vs a 10 bit environment.

Does everybody need 10 bit? I suppose not, but if you have FX work or color correction to do (and color correction is becoming more and more popular at lower and lower budgets) it does hold an obvious advantage.

Hopefully that's helpful.






TimK,
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Kolb Productions,

CPO, Digieffects


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Sverker HahnRe: 10 bit, higher bitrate, How much better?
by on Oct 1, 2008 at 11:23:59 pm

Thank you for your answer, Tim.

I do not know if a raise in quality with Flash XDR will be the next thing I invest my money in. And of course I have to check it for myself, maybe it will not be available in Sweden ...

So I will keep an eye on the products for the time being.



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