Consumer Canon HDV played on a Sony Deck?
by Liz Smith
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Apr 24, 2008 at 5:21:53 pm
Quick Q:
If I shoot footage on a Canon HV30 HDV camcorder, can I put the tape in a Sony HVR-M15U and capture without format problems? The Sony deck is throughput to FCP through HD-SDI/Kona card - no worries on that end. I just know that there's a few flavors of HDV and want to make sure the Canon HDV cameras play nice with the Sony deck.
Re: Consumer Canon HDV played on a Sony Deck? by Douglas Spotted Eagle on Apr 24, 2008 at 5:56:38 pm
If you shoot 60i with the Canon, the M15 will have no issues.
If you shoot 24p or 30p with the Canon, the M15 will not digitize the media. You'll need the M35 for that.
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Re: Consumer Canon HDV played on a Sony Deck? by Michael Palmer on Apr 24, 2008 at 6:08:34 pm
DSE
Sony now has introduced the M15AU,M25AU and the M35AU decks that can deal with the multiple flavors of HDV, right? Is the deck you are referring to the M35AU deck?
M15AU =Component out
M25AU = Component & HDMI out
M35AU = Component & HD/SD-SDI out
http://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/105/859719 Just more models for us to keep track of.
MP
Re: Consumer Canon HDV played on a Sony Deck? by Douglas Spotted Eagle on Apr 24, 2008 at 6:26:43 pm
The M10, M15, and M25 only deal with Sony-flavored HD in 24, 30p, and 60i, and Canon 60i over firewire out.
The M35U reads JVC 24p/30p/60p, Canon 24f, 30f, and 60i, Sony 24p, 30p, and 60i. In other words, it reads everything.
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Wow Spot... is that confirmed and honest-to-goodness true?? Finally a deck that will read Canon 24f would be a great thing indeed... at least in our little shop (lots of XLH1 shooting here).
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Re: Consumer Canon HDV played on a Sony Deck? by Douglas Spotted Eagle on Apr 24, 2008 at 6:44:46 pm
Todd, yes, it honest-to-God-works. :-)
I've had em' all in the deck. They work well. I didn't believe it either, not til I saw it.
Wow. Only took *someone* 4 years to make it happen.
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Re: Consumer Canon HDV played on a Sony Deck? by Todd Terry on Apr 24, 2008 at 7:00:11 pm
[Douglas Spotted Eagle]"Todd, yes, it honest-to-God-works. :-)"
Thanks Spot!... you can't see, but I'm quitely overjoyed to hear that. No more wearing out cameras as decks, or looking like a yahoo amateur in front of a client with a camcorder cabled into the suite.
T2
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Re: Consumer Canon HDV played on a Sony Deck? by Michael Palmer on Apr 24, 2008 at 6:35:06 pm
I miss spoke of the M35, I believe the A may have been added to the M15 & M25 decks to delineate the multi HDV format play back feature that was added to each of these other decks. For those who want to know the U stands for USA model (NTSC) like the P stands for PAL.
Re: Consumer Canon HDV played on a Sony Deck? by Douglas Spotted Eagle on Apr 24, 2008 at 7:03:12 pm
So is it true the multi HDV playback feature isn't just on the M35 it will be on the M15AU and the M25AU too?
I'm told it is, but since I haven't seen an "A" model deck in working conditions, I don't know the answer. We do have an M35, and it works as advertised.
[edit] It's very important folks not get these confused with the *current* M15 and M25 camcorders.
[edit 2] TMK, there is no M35"AU" but only the M35 and it's various regional prefixes. So yes, Liz, you're understanding is correct. You need an M35U if you want to start capturing/playback/Xfer right now.
Douglas Spotted Eagle
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Re: Consumer Canon HDV played on a Sony Deck? by Michael Palmer on Apr 24, 2008 at 7:34:12 pm
I would assume the M35 deck didn't get the A because it is an all together new unit to the Sony HDV deck lineup and was not altered. Why be consistent with model designations.....
I did see these "A" decks at NAB and they should be out soon.
Re: Consumer Canon HDV played on a Sony Deck? by Douglas Spotted Eagle on Apr 24, 2008 at 8:14:41 pm
I did see these "A" decks at NAB and they should be out soon.
Oh, my o my :-) If I could only count the number of times I've seen products and features at NAB that didn't end up in the final product. EX1 is a great example of that.
I saw em' too (FWIW, I was doing sessions for Sony camcorders in SU233 during the show), but that doesn't mean I trust they'll be everything they're announced to be when they ship.
Strange how firmware sometimes goes one way or another between the announcement and shipping phases of a product.
But...it's entirely likely they'll be as advertised in the multiple format area. We'll know in a few months.
Douglas Spotted Eagle
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Re: Consumer Canon HDV played on a Sony Deck? by Eric Michael Cap on Aug 21, 2008 at 3:46:32 am
FWIW: I just received an email today from J&R stating that the HVR-M15UA is now available. This VTR is suppose to playback 24p/30p HDV footage. Not sure if Sony us planning a firmware update or some other kind of upgrade program for owners of the original M15U...I emailed them a month ago and got no response, but at least there's now an affordable VTR that has "universal" HDV playback that will make life a little easier for Editors & perhaps help prolong this (vulnerable) format's life-expectancy.
Re: Consumer Canon HDV played on a Sony Deck? by Eric Michael Cap on Aug 21, 2008 at 3:46:34 am
FWIW: I just received an email today from J&R stating that the HVR-M15UA is now available. This VTR is suppose to playback 24p/30p HDV footage. Not sure if Sony us planning a firmware update or some other kind of upgrade program for owners of the original M15U...I emailed them a month ago and got no response, but at least there's now an affordable VTR that has "universal" HDV playback that will make life a little easier for Editors & perhaps help prolong this (vulnerable) format's life-expectancy.
Re: Consumer Canon HDV played on a Sony Deck? by Liz Smith on Apr 24, 2008 at 7:04:17 pm
To confirm:
- the M35U (not the new AU) will read all flavors of HDV and export them all via HD-SDI
- the M15U and M25U (not the new AU) will only read Sony flavors and Canon 60i via firewire (and not component???)
I've got a Kona HD-SDI card and want to go HDV into the computer that way and avoid firewire. Will need to get a deck in the next few weeks, so it sounds like the new models (AU) are out of date range for me. But now I'm thinking I should get the M35U to allow for other formats coming in in the future....
