Re: HDV and Broadcast by Michael Palmer on Apr 23, 2008 at 3:11:26 pm
There are plenty of good reasons to use HDV, and if shoot and handled HDV correctly I believe you could make HDV deliverable for broadcast. To make an HD signal appear on your HD television at home the broadcasters must water it down along the way to your set and this is why networks want a robust signal to start with, but there are many productions using it at many different levels. I have used it as a secondary camera source for a few TV programs I have been involved with.
Re: HDV and Broadcast by Julian Gil on Apr 23, 2008 at 3:22:54 pm
That's what I was thinking.
So, if we did go HDV. What would be the best way to deliver it to say local broadcast news stations? Would the MiniDV tape be acceptable or would I have to get it transfered to some other tape format like Digibeta, HDCAM SR, Blu-Ray, etc?
Re: HDV and Broadcast by Harry Pallenberg on Apr 23, 2008 at 4:01:30 pm
There is a 'don't ask, don't tell' feeling often, going all the way back to MiniDV days... as long as itlooked good and was delivered on BetaSP they were ok....
so I would not deliver on HDV tape, or DigiBeta (why bother going HD if you deliver on Digi?), so HDCAM or D5 - and like Mr. Palmer said get specs and work backwards...
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Re: HDV and Broadcast by Julian Gil on Apr 23, 2008 at 4:06:00 pm
That is a good point and I completely agree.
However, we're aiming at doing video news releases and just kind of throwing the video out for news stations to pick up segments and broadcast them. That's mainly the reason I was asking about delivery format. In other words, what would be the best (cheapest, easiest and most widely accepted) way to deliver? Because I'm sure that trying to deliver HDCAM transfers starts to get costly at a certain point.
No broadcaster is going to take HD submissions on HDV tape unless it's solicited. For submissions, send an SD dvd of the content. then you'll likely be delivering on D5, HDCAM, or hard drive of 4:2:2 uncompressed content. There are very few broadcasters that will accept HDV masters as the delivery format, although this is changing. With the new M35 deck this may change. I know Sony received a lot of orders from broadcasters for this deck.
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Well....if everyone loved m2t (apple doesn't, avid doesn't, quantel doesn't) then your idea is a good one. On the other hand, you're now asking a client to jump through hoops. Not good, IMO.
HD delivery as a norm, is only D5, HDCAM, or HDD with uncompressed, 10bit content. As a content provider, part of the cachet of being a pro is delivering content in a package that the broadcaster is familiar with in a format that is conducive or compatible with their current workflow/tools.
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Re: HDV and Broadcast by Julian Gil on Apr 23, 2008 at 5:17:05 pm
Ok so complete hypothetical:
A company produces a video news release using HDV and they send it out to news stations locally and out-of-state (unsolicited) hoping someone will bite and broadcast it.
Delivery format for which? for the unsolicited teaser piece? The web.
For actual broadcast?
Whatever the broadcaster specifies, which will almost assuredly be HDCAM, but potentially D5 or possibly HD streams on a drive.
You cannot expect to send out content for sale and expect to tell the buyer what format on which they must receive the media, unless you're a stock footage provider, in which case there are also established standards.
The broadcaster specifies the delivery format.
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Re: HDV and Broadcast by Julian Gil on Apr 23, 2008 at 6:17:21 pm
Maybe I'm not explaining well. Because I understand everything that you're saying, and I totally agree. So here is some background: The company I'm with is a non-profit organization that deals with public policy issues. In the past they shot some VNRs (video news releases) on public policy issues of the time (ie. health care, social security) that showed what their research had found on these issues and why it was important. They sent the DVDs out to a lot of different stations, hoping someone would deem it newsworthy and air it. And they had some stations actually air their VNRs.
What we are trying to find out now, is when we go toward HD, and they want to do the same thing that they did last time, what would be a good format to deliver the VNRs in HD. Obviously I can't really put the HD content on a DVD because of the M2T situation you explained earlier. And it's suggested that I not send in an HDV tape. So are my options just to make hundreds of HDCAM or HD5 tape transfers and send them out hoping someone will view the VNR and air it, or is there a better more efficient and less expensive way?
Re: HDV and Broadcast by Harry Pallenberg on Apr 23, 2008 at 8:45:06 pm
Maybe you could host a SD QT on a website and only ship HDCAM to the ones that want to air it. If you are luck they will not all air it at the same time and you can bicycle 1 or 2 HDCAM tapes to the different stations.
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Re: HDV and Broadcast by Eric Temple on Apr 26, 2008 at 2:44:03 am
A couple of points to make from someone who has made countless VNRs in the past... It is very hard to get VNRs aired anymore. After the scandals of government-produced VNRs, stations are very reluctant to air VNRs anymore. I haven't had a VNR client in several years and I used to do a ton of them for huge corporations.
Secondly, although broadcasters are getting into high def, my guess is that most small and medium market stations, the likely candidates for your VNRs, are still standard def and Betacam SP.
If I were you I'd research the VNR market as well as the delivery format before spending any money on it.
