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cinemacellHDV from Mac to Windows
by on Apr 7, 2006 at 3:08:03 pm

Hi!

I captured my Z1 footages on FC5 using the HDV1080/60i codec.

Now problem is: I need to add effects to my edit on After Effects on a PC system.

Would there be a particular codec that could decode the FC5 created captured clips on the PC?

Would there be the same HDV codec for the PC?

Am swapping files through a LAN network - copying files from the MAC to the Hard Disk of the PC (so files need to be of the highest quality but relatively small)

Thanks.



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BorjisRe: HDV from Mac to Windows
by on Apr 7, 2006 at 4:35:40 pm


export to the animation or png codec.




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Uli PlankRe: HDV from Mac to Windows
by on Apr 7, 2006 at 9:36:30 pm

Use the Photo-JPEG codec at 75% quality setting. Far smaller than animation and still very good quality.

Hope this helps,

Uli


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CinemacellRe: HDV from Mac to Windows
by on Apr 8, 2006 at 2:15:11 am

The most ideal workflow for me would be:

1) to export my timeline (edit) from FC5 using the Quicktime conversion using the HDV1080/60i Codec

2) Transfer that file (which would be pretty small) to the Hard disk of the PC over the network

3) Open that up on AFX - do my effects there.

4) Export using a similar codec.

5) Copy files over the network to the MAC - and re-insert the Effects/Composited Materials back to my edit.


--Targa or other image sequences are too big especially at 1080i60 images with over 90 minutes of footages (yes, am planning to do effects on the whole film - well mainly color correction and 24p conversion)

Any ideas on a similar workflow that might work?

Or HDV codecs for that matter that would work both on the Mac and PC?

Why can't the PC read the MAC HDV1080i/60 codec anyways?

PCs can edit HDV (using the m2t codec) so both systems can edit HDV
- so why all these conflicts and incompatibilities? Or why can't FC5 export an 'm2t' file? - It's all so frustrating. :)

Thanks in advance for your ideas! Thanks heaps!



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Peter WrightRe: HDV from Mac to Windows
by on Apr 8, 2006 at 4:29:21 am

Just a thought - if you're doing colour correction and 24p conversion, do you really need to go to After Effects at all?


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cinemacellRe: HDV from Mac to Windows
by on Apr 8, 2006 at 5:53:16 am

Hi Peter,

We are planning to use Magic Bullet for tthe Conversion and The Correction which would be on a PC.

Don't really know how to convert it to 24p otherwise - plus like the power of AFX for color correction.

Would you mind sharing the conversion process? :)

Thanks.


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Peter WrightRe: HDV from Mac to Windows
by on Apr 8, 2006 at 6:10:25 am

Ah - sorry, I didn't know that FCP didn't do 24p conversion - I'm a PC/Vegas user and Vegas does this extremely well.


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Steve ConnorRe: HDV from Mac to Windows
by on Apr 8, 2006 at 10:34:20 am

Why not just buy Premier Pro 2.0 and edit with that if most of your post correction workflow is on a PC? There are no easy solutions to your problem I'm afraid!

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Barlow EltonRe: HDV from Mac to Windows
by on Apr 8, 2006 at 4:38:50 pm

http://www.nattress.com

It does good 24p conversion in FCP, plus lots of film effects.

Are you planning on delivering in HDV? If not, the PhotoJPEG route from Mac to PC could work pretty well for you. Otherwise, you'd have to recompress again back to the HDV codec, which would probably be a noticeable degradation.

You could go the Aspect HD route on the PC and just work on one platform reasonably well.


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David Roth WeissRe: HDV from Mac to Windows
by on Apr 8, 2006 at 5:56:55 pm

[Cinemacell] "The most ideal workflow for me would be:

1) to export my timeline (edit) from FC5 using the Quicktime conversion using the HDV1080/60i Codec"


That may ideal for you, but it won't work. Apples QT HDV1080/60i files are non-standard proprietary QT files that only play on Apple machines. This is why others have recommended exporting in other file formats.

DRW



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Uli PlankRe: HDV from Mac to Windows
by on Apr 8, 2006 at 10:48:56 pm

Another reason to avoid transfer in HDV: AE can't work in YUV-space, only RGB, so your file will always need to be converted (HDV is YUV). I'd also recommend staying in FCP and using Nattress' filters. IMHO, they are as good (or even better) than Magic Bullett, and you'll avoid any unnecessary conversion and lots of hazzle. Plus the color correction in FCP is quite capable.

Best regards,

Uli


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David Roth WeissRe: HDV from Mac to Windows
by on Apr 9, 2006 at 4:48:47 am

I agree with Uli. And, the 3-way color corrector in FCP ain't bad at all.


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CinemacellRe: HDV from Mac to Windows
by on Apr 10, 2006 at 6:46:20 am

Thanks for all the replies.

Regarding the Nattress plugin:

For some reason it doesn't work for my project.

I downloaded the demo version of the 'Standards Conversion' plugin/software.

Installed it.

Tested it both on timelines with 24fps and 23.98.

But for some reason, when you look at the footage the interlace is still there and if you minimize it (for preview purposes on the Canvas of FC) it seems cut - as if a razor blade cut the image horizontally and placed it back together.

Also with the color correction thing - I agree that FC color correction is pretty good. I think that in this case it's a matter of preference and comfortability. Am more comfortable doing my color correction in AFX and therefore prefer it over FC color correction.
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It seems like the only way to do solve this Mac to Windows Challenge is to (as suggested in this thread) to convert it to another format/codec which would then be readable for both platforms.

Am thinking of using TARGA files to preserve color information.

But I was really hoping to be able to tranfer my files in their original codec - less space whils retaining the original color information.

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Oh btw, would like to usep premiere pro but have already captured all of my footages and edited the whole thing in FC.


Thanks all.



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Jerry AltoRe: HDV from Mac to Windows
by on Apr 10, 2006 at 4:33:24 pm

Cinemacell- This is a longshot but when working between Mac and PC in a previous workflow I discovered that sometimes it was as simple as changing the extension on the file to get it to play. Hey HDV is HDV coming from the camera. FCP says HDV native. Isn't
Premiere HDV native? Could it be as simple as changing the extension?
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David Roth WeissRe: HDV from Mac to Windows
by on Apr 10, 2006 at 4:43:35 pm

Jerry,

In thic case Apple's "native HDV" editing means native on FCP systems only, is is not native universally.

There is a reason I took the time to answer in my earlier post, and if it were just a matter of changing the three letter extension I would have mentioned it.

DRW


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Uli PlankRe: HDV from Mac to Windows
by on Apr 11, 2006 at 7:31:20 am

So have a look at the codecs from Blackmagic. They are very good, available on both platforms, and downloadable for free. You don't need the hardware, things will only be a bit slower.

Good luck,

Uli


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CinemacellRe: HDV from Mac to Windows
by on Apr 11, 2006 at 1:01:10 pm

Hey Uli,

Thanks, will definitely check them out.



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