viewing the HDV timeline on HD monitor during editing?
by Mike
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Aug 11, 2005 at 6:35:34 pm
I'm upgrading to FCP5 next week and will soon begin to work with HDV. I understand from the posts that printing to video first requires a render.
However, while editing, could someone please explain how to view an HDV sequence on an external HD monitor? (ie, for color correction, etc) Any recommendations on specific equipment? Thanks for your patience!
I'm working on a G5 PowerMac Dual 2.5 with 1GB RAM, the stock Radeon 9600XT, 128MB card connected to a 23" Apple display.
Re: viewing the HDV timeline on HD monitor during editing? by Mike on Aug 11, 2005 at 7:03:46 pm
I'll only be working in HDV - I probably wouldn't have a need to work with uncompressed HD for a while since it's a small company.
Do you know of any solutions that aren't as pricey as a Kona 2 or a Decklink Pro HD?
Would an Aurora PipePro (or something in the 700-800 dollar range) be able to display the HDV timeline for me?
Thanks, Steve. I'll search the posts like you suggested to see what else I can find.
Re: viewing the HDV timeline on HD monitor during editing? by Steven L. Gotz on Aug 11, 2005 at 8:14:47 pm
Take a look at Matrox Parhelia APVe and the NVidea Quadro FX-540 - both have the component outputs you want.
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Re: viewing the HDV timeline on HD monitor during editing? by John Frey on Aug 12, 2005 at 3:10:34 am
Steven,
Is the primary difference between the Matrox and Nvidia, besides price, the ability of the Parhelia to output two DVI and a Component or Y/C vs. the FX 540's one DVI and one Component or Y/C?
Re: viewing the HDV timeline on HD monitor during editing? by Steven L. Gotz on Aug 12, 2005 at 3:33:43 am
I am not really qualified to answer that question, but the additional monitor would make the Matrox my choice, or I might use two of the Quadro to get 3 PC monitors plus a component output.
Also, the Matrox does not have a special breakout box, but instead, has a cable designed for the job. Good idea? Bad idea ? I have no clue.
Steven
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Re: viewing the HDV timeline on HD monitor during editing? by Derek Antonio Serra on Aug 12, 2005 at 6:41:36 am
I have the Quadro 540, which has HD out via a neat breakout box. From the breakout box you can run either S-video and composite simultaneously OR HD Component. Not all at the same time. If you use the breakout box, you cannot run two computer monitors simultaneously from the card. I just stuck in a second Nvidia single head graphics card for the second monitor, which gives me dual monitors plus HD CRT for around $ 280. The component picture is not bad, but is essentially an extended desktop, as with the Mac. I've used the Canopus NX - now its HD output is amazing, as it's a solid seperate video output. I imagine the Matrox offers similar quality to the Quadro, but with the second head built in. These are inexpensive compromises to true HD monitoring solutions like Decklink HD, Convergent and Miranda IMHO.
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Re: viewing the HDV timeline on HD monitor during editing? by Dave Hardy on Aug 12, 2005 at 12:29:00 am
Hi Mike,
You can edit full screen FCP5 23 Cinema Display with the equipment . Just press Command F12 & this will toggle you back & forth between the FCP5 interface & the picture playing in the Canvas/Timeline of Viewer. If you want to switch between the Canvas & the Viewer without leaving the full screen display, press the Q key & the screen will toggle from the Canvas to the Viewer. To get back to FCP5's interface Cmd F12.
Re: viewing the HDV timeline on HD monitor during editing? by Mike on Aug 12, 2005 at 3:35:24 pm
Thanks to everyone for your help.
Dave, with Command-F12, were you referring to viewing just the canvas on my Apple display or on the external HD Sony monitor?
Using FCP 4.5 with my Z1 hooked through firewire, I'm able to display a DV timeline through S-video outs onto my HD monitor (my monitor is also saying, "you bought me for this??"). It's begging to have HD output.
Re: viewing the HDV timeline on HD monitor during editing? by Dave Hardy on Aug 12, 2005 at 8:08:54 pm
Hi Mike,
I don't have an HD monitor, but the 23" Cinema Display works fine for playing the video image full screen in 16:9. If you route the signal from the Mac through a SD deck & out to an SD monitor you get a letterboxed image of the frame the cursor is sitting on in the timeline. This image on a SD monitor will remain static but will update to the current frame when you pause the timeline. As the image is SD it's no good for HD color correction but at least this way one can confirm what the TV cutoff on a set would look like. The image on your 23" Cinema Display will display the image full screen in motion (in other words a poor man's HD monitor).
You'll want to get a Kona2 or one of the Blackmagic cards & the HDlink card to map the color of the Cinema Display to more closely match what a true HD monitor would display. As you seem to have a HD you should be to forego the HDlink card whose sole purpose is to map the colors of the Cinema Display for someone who does not have access to a true HD monitor.
So there are 3 solutions.
1 Apple's out of the box solution. You go to the View menu & select Video Playback/Apple Cinema Display. Then Cmd F12 will switch the Cinema Display from displaying the FCP5's interface to the video playing full screen.
2. Blackmadgic was 1st out of the gate to improve on this system by providing the HDlink box that improved on the accuracy of the colors on the Cinema Display. So now the image would not only play full screen real time like Apple's solution, but the colors on the display would closely match the colors one would see on a true HD monitor
3. One has a true HD monitor, no need for the HDlink box. Output from Kona2 or Blackmagic card directly into the HD monitor.
As I mentioned above I don't have HD monitor, so I can't verify how well these cards work with an HD monitor. For simple editing purposes Apples solution works fine. To do a professional job of color correcting choose option 2 or 3.
