NAB 2005 Best of Show Award Winners Announced
by Sanjin Jukic
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Apr 21, 2005 at 9:07:22 am
"Apple's Final Cut Pro 5 won an award in the Content Creation category along with Avid's Media Composer Adrenaline HD 2.1, Avid's Symphony Nitris, the JVC GY-HD100U 3-CCD HD Camera Recorder, and the Sony HDCAM SR/HDCAM Dual Format Recorder."
Re: NAB 2005 Best of Show Award Winners Announced by Steve Sohmer on Apr 22, 2005 at 12:51:22 pm
You don't want to upset JVC or Panasonic users so you don't mention a camera that has been shipping and is sucessful and has won awards and has had record sales, but you'll push a complete vaporware system and one that is still showing late prototypes and has no lenses available without a setupdown converter?
Re: NAB 2005 Best of Show Award Winners Announced by Ron Lindeboom on Apr 22, 2005 at 3:07:59 pm
Steve Sohmer:"You don't want to upset JVC or Panasonic users so you don't mention a camera that has been shipping and is sucessful and has won awards and has had record sales, but you'll push a complete vaporware system and one that is still showing late prototypes and has no lenses available without a setupdown converter? No bias? Please....."
Steve, lighten up. People are entitled to their opinions. Can't you simply talk without trying to mock people while putting words into their mouths???
You are quite entitled to point out equipment, protocols and anything else you know which makes your case. But when you take it personal and begin to insult another member of this board and try to make them a fool, then you have broken the rules here.
Sanjin NEVER stated that he didn't have a bias and was running for the title of "Mister Neutral." Anyone who has been here any time at all can safely say that it's quite clear that Sanjin does indeed have a bias -- one that is usually quite pronounced and predictable.
You, me and everyone else have opinions, as well. Having opinions is quite okay here at the Cow. But mocking people for them is off-limits and we can and have removed people who can't seem to learn that it is quite human to have an opinion.
Me, I am biased towards the P2 at the moment and think that when I finally get into the "Poor Man's World of HD," it will in all likelihood be a P2 camera.
If having a bias precludes a person from possessing a valid point of view, then you can dismiss Sanjin, me and the guy that you see in the mirror every morning. This, as I have yet to meet a person who truly walks the neutral and is without a bias somewhere; experience does that to people -- both for the good and the bad. It's that being human thingie.
Re: NAB 2005 Best of Show Award Winners Announced by Sanjin Jukic on Apr 22, 2005 at 5:52:02 pm
I would like to suggest some kind of "A STYLE COUNCIL" TALKS between the people in this HDV forum or any another too (by the way Style Council is a famous English rock band 80's, Paul Weller etc...). This would be like this: You are HD rebel (otherwise you would not ask for low cost HD) but you have still certain STYLE in your talks and behavior otherwise is going to be a pure aggression at least as a sort of PUNK/CLOCKWORK ORANGE aggression that when the technology is under question do not match any result just pure anarchy. But technology need a certain order otherwise would not be technology. At the end let's say we are all rebels in one way or another...or the best let's sing together the Bowie's song REBEL, REBEL or even HEROES could be good enough..HEROES OF HD...that could make us all a bit stronger, will open our eyes (the third), vision etc...
Re: NAB 2005 Best of Show Award Winners Announced by Jody on Apr 23, 2005 at 3:22:46 am
No disrespect intended, and this is not personal, but I'm still just constantly amazed at folks who "prefer" a camera that doesn't even exist (the $6,000 Panasonic HD with $2,000/each record media that capture only 7-8 minutes of 1080 footage, or 20 minutes of 720 footage PER CARD), when the Z1U (already sold around 35,000 units in 2+ months) and was such a hit at NAB-- clearly holding up to comparisons to F900 CineAlta and even 35mm film.
It just mystifies me. The Z1U is astounding and is already in use everywhere, yet the Panasonic does not even EXIST (and some doubt it ever will.)
Lots of noise about something that does not exist. For those of us who shoot every day, we gotta go with what's real.
Re: NAB 2005 Best of Show Award Winners Announced by Tom Bates on Apr 23, 2005 at 2:03:56 pm
Jody,
I agree with your general comment, but it is human nature to speculate and to worry whether a purchase one is about to make will be a good one. Some are truly good comparative shoppers and others take sides as a form of religion.
I wanted to thank you for your wonderful presentation at NAB. I have lauded your video footage and your comments in a number of my posts here on the cow.
Re: NAB 2005 Best of Show Award Winners Announced by Ron Lindeboom on Apr 23, 2005 at 3:28:43 pm
No disrespect taken, Jody.
I am not ready to buy today. So I am just wading through the various cameras and formats out there, as I have some projects that I expect that I can use either an HDV or P2 camera on.
As I have said here and elsewhere in other posts, it's just my opinion that I tend to like the fact that when introduced, I will be able to use DVCPro, DVCPro50 and DVCProHD in a single camera. It just makes sense to me.
Just as you have many contacts at Sony, I have contacts and friends inside Panasonic and from what they have shown me, I have little doubt that they will deliver on their promise.
I have nothing against HDV in general, nor against the Sony HDV cameras specifically. They are amazing pieces of technology and I have little doubt that they produce quite acceptable results -- you are living proof that they do.
If I needed a camera for a project today, I have little doubt that I'd use one. But for the project I am looking at, if the P2 exists in time for it -- which I expect it will -- that is, in all likelihood (unless there's some unforeseen faux paus that creeps in), that is the way I'll go.
It is not intended as an insult to anyone, it is merely that I like the concept of DVCPro/DVCPro50/DVCProHD all in one unit.
Best regards and welcome back to the Cow, Jody. I am glad we didn't scare you off forever. ;o)
Re: NAB 2005 Best of Show Award Winners Announced by Andy Edwards on Apr 23, 2005 at 4:46:01 pm
[Jody]"when the Z1U (already sold around 35,000 units in 2+ months)"
Jody, can I ask where you got this number. I was in a discussion with another production friend this past week at NAB and we were trying to figure out how many have been sold. I'm not doubting you, just looking for clarification....thanks.
Now regarding the P2 camera: I agree with your comments and until that darn peice of mock up actually ships to market, all this talk is just hot air. Everyone can have their opinion till they are blue in the face, but it won't change the facts...it is not ready for delivery to customers. Once it ships and the actual specs can be verified, then I'll take a look at the camera. For now it is just vaporware in my mind.
Learning from last years NAB and the Kona2 card: Promises made for June delivery and the darn card did not ship until late October, early November. I learned my lesson last year and won't believe the marketing hype any more.
Re: NAB 2005 Best of Show Award Winners Announced by Ron Lindeboom on Apr 23, 2005 at 5:01:48 pm
[Andy Edwards]"[Jody] "when the Z1U (already sold around 35,000 units in 2+ months)" Jody, can I ask where you got this number. I was in a discussion with another production friend this past week at NAB and we were trying to figure out how many have been sold. I'm not doubting you, just looking for clarification....thanks."
In a meeting that I had at NAB 2005 with some of Sony's executive team, they spoke of the 35,000 unit number and I do not doubt them one bit. The camera has sold remarkably well and at the level it is selling, I do not doubt for a moment that it will lead its class in sales.
[Andy Edwards]"Learning from last years NAB and the Kona2 card: Promises made for June delivery and the darn card did not ship until late October, early November. I learned my lesson last year and won't believe the marketing hype any more."
Lumping all manufacturers into the same bag is a big generalisation that will likely be unsupportable based on evidence. Circumstances differ based on so many factors that one thing I have learned in 10 years of building forums communities is that there is little that is the same everywhere you look.
Re: NAB 2005 Best of Show Award Winners Announced by Lance Bachelder on Apr 23, 2005 at 5:28:19 pm
I heard from Sony the actual number - including the consumer model is over 110,000 units sold.
I concur Ron that the P2 system and the new camera looks just awesome. I guess I shouldn't say "looks" because we have not seen any footage yet. At least JVC showed several working prototypes and had very good footage to show. I'm a bit offended that the new Panasonic actually won multiple awards since it's just a mock-up - I could see it winning multiple awards again next year when we all get to see it in action. I can't wait to see the varicam feature working - the HVX200 could be the biggest selling camera ever introduced. I hope the P2 cards come down in price by the time it ships - imagine never using tape again...
For those needing 24p HD soon the JVC will be a great choice if it ships in July. I wouldn't hesitate in shooting an indie feature or doc with the JVC - plus Fuji and Canon have more lenses coming just for this camera.
The Sony HDV stuff looks amazing and is a great choice for those needing 1080i footage right now.
Lance Bachelder
Southern California
Cow Forum Host- Magic Bullet
Re: NAB 2005 Best of Show Award Winners Announced by Jody on Apr 23, 2005 at 7:37:58 pm
Hi Ron, Tom, Andy, and crew,
Good to hear the newest thoughts since actually seeing what was (and wasn't) at NAB. Some wonderful and interesting new technology there, some average, and some promises for more wonderment in the near future. We'll see who delivers.
I agree it was not only premature but inappropriate for awards to be given to a concept-camera as if it was an actual operating camera system like the new JVC-HD or Sony Z1U. IF they want categories for "conceptual products" they should have one, but it is amateurish and rather meaningless to award a product that doesn't even exist! The proof is in the pudding. I want to see the camera and see its images before making any pronouncements (duh!). Could you imagine having a film directed by Steven Spielberg starring Robert DiNiro, filmed by Caleb Deschanel, scored by James Horner, being nominated for an Oscar-- before production began?!
If the Panasonic delivers as-advertised, the multiple formats wil be a nice option for many. Since so many programs and news organizations already use DV and DVCam, the Z1U already meets that multiple-format/backwards-compatibility need for them. Panasonic wisely sees the need for their product line as well.
But here's the gigantic drawback that mystifies me: the P2 card. It seems ridiculous to me-- particularly for the applications some at Panasonic claim it to be good for. It seems to me they have not thought this out at all, nor bothered to get input from real users who do this kind of work every day (a common problem with ALL manufacturers)
Documentaries, films (indie and other) and most news programs do not edit in the field (except on rare occasion). The methodology will remain the same as always-- you take a lot of "tape stock" (record media) into the field, shoot your footage, it gets sent to the editor or you bring it back when you're done shooting, from wherever you are. Productions are not going to take one or two pieces of media (or 10 or 20), download them then ship them back to me in the field so I can keep shooting. Ain't gonna happen. Too logistically complicated. The advantage of cheap tape stock (which we are not having problems with, and "wasted time" digitizing is only an issue when crashing a news story) far outweighs the convenience of instant-access in editing for the $2,000 P2 card, offering only 6-8 minutes of HD recording, or 20 minutes of DVCam-quality recording! What are they thinking? To record 1 hour of HD quality on that Panasonic (and I'll shoot 20-40 hours on a documentary, easily, before going to editing) could cost $20,000 in record media alone. That's the cost of 4 Z1Us-- for ONE hour of record media! Help me understand the appeal of this camera system. I don't get it. Until those cards can record an hour and cost $20 each, they are a huge liability and I cannot imagine anyone buying that vs. the Z1U. (OK, I'm sure someone will...)
Regarding the Sony Z1U sales figures, I too heard those firsthand from a knowledgeable and reliable source in management, while at NAB. It is accurate, no question.
That's my two cents worth. I'd be happy for the DVX200 if it was a hit and the price of the cards was cheap, recorded an hour, and looked better than the Z1U. I'd buy one. Doesn't matter to me who makes the great gear. I buy what's best for the job.
But like Andy said, right now it's just vaporware. And I have to shoot today.
Re: NAB 2005 Best of Show Award Winners Announced by Ron Lindeboom on Apr 23, 2005 at 8:30:27 pm
Hi Jody,
I always find it rather presumptuous on my part to assume that what works best for me will always be that which makes the most sense for others. Therefore, I assign opinions, my own included, to the level of importance that they deserve -- that, based on the value which others do or don't assign to them, drawn from their own experience and need.
Like you, I found it rather odd that a tool which could best be described as "on the drawing board" could win awards. Yes, I agree that it is a great idea but the operative word there is "idea."
Re: NAB 2005 Best of Show Award Winners Announced by Graeme Nattress on Apr 23, 2005 at 10:10:15 pm
Exactly the things that are being said now about P2 were said about the first NLEs when they came out. Now, everyone uses NLEs and have adopted their workflows to suit.
It's funny that you can dismiss the camera as vapourware, but be confident it's workflow won't work. Let us wait for the camera, wait for the workflow, and then, if you want, dismiss them, but dismiss both on evidence, not conjecture.
I'm very keen to see what the new JVC and Panasonic cameras look like in action. I don't need an affordable HD camera today, and I can afford to wait. If I needed an affordable HD camera tomorrow, I'd rent, not buy.
Re: NAB 2005 Best of Show Award Winners Announced by Jody on Apr 23, 2005 at 10:49:37 pm
"Exactly the things that are being said now about P2 were said about the first NLEs when they came out. Now, everyone uses NLEs and have adopted their workflows to suit."
I'm not so sure about that. NLE's were a whole new way of doing editing-- a complex series of actions requiring never-befre-seen technology.
Here we're talking about recording media-- very simple. And I'm simply responding to what Panasonic has told me about their P2 cards (price, storage capacity). And after directing, producing, shooting and editing for over 30 years, I already know a lot about realistic and workable workflow-- which includes physical logistics-- so I am not speaking out of turn here.
"It's funny that you can dismiss the camera as vapourware, but be confident it's workflow won't work. Let us wait for the camera, wait for the workflow, and then, if you want, dismiss them, but dismiss both on evidence, not conjecture."
Using your argument then, there is nothing to embrace either, as this camera system is ALL conjecture at this time-- there is no "evidence." My arguments are based upon Panasonic's own press and salesmen comments, and are made from the perspective of a working professional in this business. I don't dismiss the camera, but I don't embrace hype with NO evidence either. Until there's something to see, it is all conjecture.
And yes, a $2,000 P2 card that only records 6-8 minutes of HD is an unworkable workflow for everyone I know or know of. (Those figure were supplied to me from Panasonic and are not conjecture.) I'm sure it will work fine technically. But the price and limited storage makes it unusable. (One hour of Sony HDV costs $10. One hour of HDCAM costs $30. One hour of Panasonic P2 recording HD is $15-20,000, according to their own information.)
"I'm very keen to see what the new JVC and Panasonic cameras look like in action. I don't need an affordable HD camera today, and I can afford to wait. If I needed an affordable HD camera tomorrow, I'd rent, not buy. "
I look forward to seeing those new camera and their pictures as well. If you can afford to wait, then you're in good shape. Unfortunately for many of us in this business, waiting means getting left behind. This process of determing the best new technology and what will catch fire (and set the business on fire) is really challenging-- and expensive!
My job is to share what I've discovered-- I'm a beggar who's found some bread.
Re: NAB 2005 Best of Show Award Winners Announced by Lance Bachelder on Apr 23, 2005 at 11:09:42 pm
The first NLE's cost as much or more than the then popular linear editing systems (six figures) and took nearly a decade to come down to the price level where everyone could give them a try. Let's hope going tapeless doen't take a decade of waiting for practical affordability.
The high speed 1GB Compactflash disc for my Nikon D70 cost me over $200 - a few months later the same disc is under $100 - why does Panasonic have to charge so much for their P2 cards? The new HVX 200 is not going to be like going out and picking up a DXV100 - it's going to be a $10,000 plus investment - putting way out of reach for many indie filmmakers. Plus the P2 "deck", which is just a fancy card reader is relatively expensive. Some will say "no problem, I'll just rent it." Are you going to rent the P2 cards also? Or are you going to buy 3 or 4 8GB discs for your production workflow. For the cost of buyinbg a few cards you could rent a full HDCAM studio package and just buy tape.
I think P2 is a great concept, and I would dig the tapeless workflow - but it will have to come way down in price if it's going to have the same impact that the DVX100 has had. And the DVX has had no competition, while the HVX 200 will be third to the lower cost HD market behinf Sony and JVC - both of whom I'm certain are developing new tools in some secret lab for NAB 2006.
Lance Bachelder
Southern California
Cow Forum Host- Magic Bullet
Re: NAB 2005 Best of Show Award Winners Announced by Graeme Nattress on Apr 23, 2005 at 11:20:16 pm
I've got a feeling the workflow will be, temporarily, hard disc based with a massive RAM buffer on the camera in the way of P2 cards. You'll either hook the camera to a drive permanently, or if you need to get a shot where that would be awkward, either with a tether or a hard drive hanging off the back, you'll record to P2 and dump to drive when you're done.
Yes - the P2 card costs more than it's component parts, and that's down to a number of things that will change rapidly: RAID controller, packaging, extensive testing of the SD cards above and beyond what is normally done ( as they're in a RAID0 which will reduce reliability to 25% of one card on it's own). Also, Panasonic are not selling many at the moment, so, I think, that's their primary business reason for putting this camera on the market - to help increase adoption and bring down costs.
For workflow, Panasonic seemed fairly confident that they'd not sell much more in the way of P2 cards than the 2 you'll get with the camera package though. I think this indicates that workflows will either be direct-to-computer or with hard drives.
Re: NAB 2005 Best of Show Award Winners Announced by Jody on Apr 23, 2005 at 11:20:34 pm
" And the DVX has had no competition, while the HVX 200 will be third to the lower cost HD market behind Sony and JVC - both of whom I'm certain are developing new tools in some secret lab for NAB 2006."
Oh, you'll see cool new HDV product WAY before NAB 2006...
Re: NAB 2005 Best of Show Award Winners Announced by Graeme Nattress on Apr 23, 2005 at 11:29:10 pm
""Exactly the things that are being said now about P2 were said about the first NLEs when they came out. Now, everyone uses NLEs and have adopted their workflows to suit."
I'm not so sure about that. NLE's were a whole new way of doing editing-- a complex series of actions requiring never-befre-seen technology. "
But linear controllers were pretty well advanced by then, and you could edit non-linearly with your EDL and conform from your tapes for the final edit. And film has always been non-linear, if slow, to edit.
The main things holding back NLE adoption were the hard drives that you needed. They were not big enough, cheap enough or fast enough, and on-line quality was only dreamed of. Now we're editing uncompressed HD on what is essentially a home computer.
P2 is a very brave move from Panasonic one, and you'll really got to hand it to them for trying to advance the way we shoot an edit two steps ahead of tape, and one step ahead of direct to disc, although, it would seem, that initally P2 will act as a big (and very useful) memory buffer in camera until it's price drops, with hard drive temporarily filling in the gap, certainly leaving you no worse off than direct to disc for the time being.
Indeed, I really see the parallels between the adoption of NLE and P2. Just as I adopted affordable NLE before it was really ready, I see adopting P2 before it's really ready as a similar move. It will certainly be interesting to see how it all turns out.
Re: NAB 2005 Best of Show Award Winners Announced by Jody on Apr 23, 2005 at 11:50:27 pm
"Indeed, I really see the parallels between the adoption of NLE and P2. Just as I adopted affordable NLE before it was really ready, I see adopting P2 before it's really ready as a similar move. It will certainly be interesting to see how it all turns out. "
We just see it differently, and that's OK.
Linear to non-linear was a giant leap for mankind. Everything changed. Editing was truly revolutionized forever.
Tape to "instant access" media (disc, hard drive, P2 cards, whatever) is not as near a jump. It's still editing in an NLE (or in camera, NLE-style)-- it's simply a different recording medium. As there has been editing from hard drives for many, many years, and editing from discs for even longer (remember Editdroid?), editing from a card isn't really all that giant a step, is it?
Sure, it's fast and compact, but it's still storage media-- and it's not like we're having problems using tape.
Personally, so long as the recording medium performs well, gets as much bandwidth as I need, and works with my NLE, I don't much care what it is. The much bigger issue is the camera itself-- how it performs, can it capture what the eye sees-- and beyond. I've skydived with the Z1U, shot underwater, in freezing cold, desert heat and jungle humidity, with all kinds of camera mounts on moving vessels and vehicles with videotape... I have no issues with tape at all. When P2 or another instant-access, no-moving-parts affordable recording medium arrives, I'll be even happier, but I do not await it with baited breath. It's just not that big a deal-- to me, at least.
Re: NAB 2005 Best of Show Award Winners Announced by Graeme Nattress on Apr 24, 2005 at 12:20:18 am
Thanks for your perspective, Jody. I agree with you that solid state recording is not the jump from tape that NLE is from LE, but it's a move forwards non-the-less. Indeed, it seems that solid state recording has made a bigger, more immediate impact in digital stills cameras due to it's speed alone, an issue that is less pressing for video apart from perhaps news production. I see parallels between the adoption of such formats more in the exact reasons why they won't work (price, amount of storage), rather than the relative jump in technology from old to new. This doesn't mean that P2 will be adopted as NLE has been, but without a magic crystal ball, looking to history is all we really have for future predictions. Many people who's opinion I really value don't think P2 stands a chance, but other's who's opinion I also value highly see it as the next big thing. It really does split people's opinions!
I must admit, I have had the odd problem with tape, but not so serious that something else is needed - just wanted. What I see, for me at least, is that I don't need to spend the money on a HD deck because either P2 or direct to hard drive doesn't really need a deck.
Your last point leads me to the most important one - the recording media / workflow is less important than the picture the camera can make in the right hands. People have struggled with awkward technologies purely for the superior picture they make, and I don't see that changing very soon.
Although, as someone who is very interested in the mathematics of algorithms for the uprezzing of standard def video to HD, the DVCPro50 option on the HVX actually interests me more than the HD modes due to DVCpro50 being a very lightly compressed SD format, whereas all the affordable (HDV, DVCProHD) and semi-affordable (DVCProHD, HDCAM) HD formats are very compressed indeed.
Re: NAB 2005 Best of Show Award Winners Announced by Andy Edwards on Apr 23, 2005 at 9:46:03 pm
[Ron Lindeboom]"In a meeting that I had at NAB 2005 with some of Sony's executive team, they spoke of the 35,000 "
Thank you for the number confirmation Ron.
[Ron Lindeboom]"Lumping all manufacturers into the same bag is a big generalisation that will likely be unsupportable based on evidence."
Having been in this business long enough to learn that convetion marketing promises do not always hold water, I would glady state it is a big generalisation. My example of the AJA Kona2 card was my direct evidence of hype and promise versus actual deliverable goods. It is a game that every manufacturer plays and uses to their advantage to generate buzz for their product.
My evidence may be different from yours, but I know what I heard at NAB from AJA and when it actually was delivered. I needed the Kona2 for an HD documentary being delivered in New York last July. The AJA production delays caused me to go another route with DVCPRO HD and not wait for their NAB promises to be delivered.
One year later I have still not purhcased the Kona2 card, but now that it has been on the market a few months, I might just order one next week to complete my next HD project :-)
Another example of hype and promise is the Play-Trinity-Kiki debacle. How many years did we attend NAB with Kiki Stockhammer promising the next great switcher / black box of production high jinx. Three NAB's later, she was still marketing the product and the company delivered a couple hundred and went bankrupt. I guess this might not be the best example, but the marketing hype that can be generated at NAB can make or break a company very easily. The panasonic P2 camera is exciting, but until it ships, I'll wait to get on the bus for that one. It would be great if they delivered the P2 camera for your productions on time, but I would not hold my breathe. December is still a good couple of months away and you might need to find another way of shooting your production.
Re: NAB 2005 Best of Show Award Winners Announced by Ron Lindeboom on Apr 24, 2005 at 12:51:10 am
[Andy Edwards]"Having been in this business long enough to learn that convetion marketing promises do not always hold water, I would glady state it is a big generalisation. It is a game that every manufacturer plays and uses to their advantage to generate buzz for their product."
Not *every* manufacturer plays it, *that* was my point. Apple, for example, is regularly accosted for not leaking a word and suing those under NDA who leak a word. They even have to sign intra-departmental NDAs at Apple and regularly they change the product codenames from department to department to isolate things further should someone choose to violate their NDAs.
Apple is just one example of this and there are others. Sure, some companies play the FUD game but others, like the example you use of AJA, find circumstances working against them -- as AJA did when they had to find, train and integrate a new team to develop their own drivers following the demise of the relationship between Blackmagic Design and AJA. As the bumper sticker says: "Stuff Happens."
But as Graeme Nattress said in one of his posts, it is rather odd that the same people who want to dismiss a product they had not seen are the first to dismiss the workflow (and are just as brash and pedantic about their opinion of the workflow as they accuse those of being who think that the idea of P2 is a good one).
Oh well, human nature -- at least it's consistent.
[Andy Edwards]"Another example of hype and promise is the Play-Trinity-Kiki debacle. How many years did we attend NAB with Kiki Stockhammer promising the next great switcher / black box of production high jinx. Three NAB's later, she was still marketing the product and the company delivered a couple hundred and went bankrupt."
That happens when the product chief engineer and visionary dies -- which is what happened to Paul (I forget his lastname) who was the brains behind Trinity. It took a while for Play to find anyone who could do and understand what Paul had up his sleeve and by that time, it was too late. Death usually stops people from working and so, for one, I usually forgive them for breaking their promises.
Paul not only left behind a great idea but he was a young guy with a young family and a wife, so he disappointed far more than just a few NAB attendees who may or may not have been Trinity customers.
I tend to work on the projects that I want to do, so schedules are less an issue with me than they are with many people. But as I said earlier, when I am ready to work on the project in question, I'll make my decision then. Hopefully, the P2 will be an option as I would like the format latitude. If it isn't, I will probably go with the Z1.
Re: NAB 2005 Best of Show Award Winners Announced by Ron Lindeboom on Apr 23, 2005 at 7:41:53 pm
[Steve Sohmer]"I, too, am amazed at how many people will pledge their loyalty to a press release"
And I, too, am always amazed at how many (or thankfully few) will throw away their ears and their minds and make a religion out of a piece of metal, plastic and glass.
Re: NAB 2005 Best of Show Award Winners Announced by Jody on Apr 23, 2005 at 7:47:13 pm
Amen to that! (pun intended.)
As I almost always say when asked to speak about cameras and production: it's not about the camera or the technology. It's about story. Without good story you have NOTHING. With a good story, you can tell it with crayons and construction paper if you had to.
If there's gonna be an altar we bow down at in this business, it should be at the altar of good storytelling-- and stories that matter. Everything else pales by comparison.
Re: NAB 2005 Best of Show Award Winners Announced by Sanjin Jukic on Apr 23, 2005 at 8:33:01 pm
[Jody] "and stories that matter."
And FX1E/Z1 have already something like 16mm film quality and with mini35mm it is an excellent video quality like high end HD film-style cams. OK you are in 4:2:0 color sampling but if you are really careful with lighting you will get it at the end. All other camera competition in so called high end HD like Varicam, CineAlta, Genesis , D-20 are all to too much better but the cam price is 10-20 higher. The conclusion is: if your budget prefer a better picture quality you just go directly to FILM. FX1/Z1 is good enough for all Godard like film makers and the price/performance is not beatable in a year by now from any other competitor. FULL STOP.
Re: NAB 2005 Best of Show Award Winners Announced by RBG on Apr 24, 2005 at 9:32:41 pm
For most of us (ie: HD broadcast aside), HD is not really real. It doesn't matter much what cameras are available at this time since a proper HD delivery system doesn't exist. When Blu-ray; HD-DVD or some variant finally shows up, the last part of the puzzle will be complete. In the meantime we're forced to use stuff like down conversion; anamorphic SD; QT HD or Windows Media 9 HD and other Rube Goldberg solutions.
There's also some pretty good & new SD cameras coming onto the market even as I write this. That's real. But I wouldn't buy one.
Just a bit of devil's advocate here.
RBG
PS: I wonder what a DigiBetacam camera will sell for once the overnight jump to HD happens. Do you think the training video world would turn its nose up at a mere DigiBetacam image authored to a SD DVD when they could get a gorgeous (& possibly expensive) HD production? (Could there be anything sweeter than "How To Make A Big Mac" in HD?)
