| Decent quality DVD vision. Is it Possible?
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 | Decent quality DVD vision. Is it Possible?
by Mark Merton on Jun 7, 2012 at 5:34:35 am |
HI. I'm just going to ask this straight out - I think a lot of people (untrained, home editors like myself...) really want to know:
Can you expect to achieve clear, commercial quality DVD vision on a home burned DVD, if you use beautiful HD vision recorded on a semi-pro camera (like a 5D MK 2), Final Cut Pro, Compressor, and DVD Studio pro?
Is there a way to get that? I realise it needs to be converted to SD for the DVD, but obviously professional studios can get perfect looking quality onto DVDs, we've all seen it. There must be a way to convert the footage without losing 90% of the quality... maybe there isn't?
I've read so many posts by professionals describing how they do it, and followed every step, but I can't believe their final product looks as crap as mine, viewed on a TV through a DVD player.
I must be missing something. I'm tearing my hair out and running out of time. I feel ridiculous delivering a movie that looks this bad.
It would be awesome if someone could post a step by step walkthrough of the workflow from ingesting video to burning DVD.
I'm a still photographer who took on a video job for a client, but am thinking I won't be doing that again....
HD vision. FCP. Compressor. DVDSP. If it's just not possible, at least I can know I did my best.
Mark.
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• | | | |  | Re: Decent quality DVD vision. Is it Possible? by eric pautsch on Jun 7, 2012 at 6:07:07 am |
Quality has everything to do with:
1. Top End Source material
2. Top End Encoder
3. Experience
Since 98% of people on these forums do not use or have any of these variables, there's no way to achieve the same quality has Hollywood. Most films are shot film and transferred or shot as 2k or 4k images.
High end encoders can cost as much as a small home. Backed by someone whos paid well knowing how its used and you have a combination which cant be matched by prosumer tools like Compressor.
Down converted in the most important step. since DVD is 720i it will need to be correctly down converted from 1080 first. Some method are better than other so its important to know the technical details of what is happening. Here's the workflow Ive always used:
http://www.precomposed.com/blog/2009/07/hd-to-sd-dvd-best-methods/
http://bellunevideo.com/tutorials/hd2sdTutorial/hd2sd.html
http://www.lafcpug.org/Tutorials/basic_hdvideo_to_dvd.html
Its alot to absorb at first :)
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• | | | |  | Re: Decent quality DVD vision. Is it Possible? by Bob Dix on Jun 7, 2012 at 6:41:35 am |
Our DVD' S are as good as if not better than commercial DVD's you can control the mbps using Adobe Encore 5.1 with Adobe Premiere Pro CS5.5.2, to match the 38.5Mbps from the 5D mark II (ONLY ON BLU-RAY), but, up to 25mbps is pretty good especially from an older Canon Professional HDV tape camcorder.
But, blu-ray is the only way to go, simply stunning 1920 x 1080 p quality. if you use a Sony Blu-ray player it will give you the quality settings of commercial and studio produced DVD's and Blu-ray discs, some commercial movies to DVD are of a very poor quality. But , of course 720i SD is not very good compared with blu-ray.
Good luck
Freelance Imaging & Video
AUSTRALIA
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• | | | |  | Re: Decent quality DVD vision. Is it Possible? by Alex Asp on Jun 7, 2012 at 7:27:08 am |
Bob, what are you talking about? DVD can't sustain more than 9.8 Mbps all streams combined and that on a replicated discs. The guy would do himself a huge favour if he buys CinemaCraft Encoder MP plugin for Compressor for less than $1K (American). The presets are to kill for, and it's the same engine as Hollywood's beloved CinemaCraft boxes.
Don't start on Adobe Encore with me, it can't do 100 passes on video, unlike CinemaCraft, its a buggy toy, compared to Compressor/DVDSP
Alex Asp/Solaris Digital Ltd.
Subtitle utilities HERE
Anti-aliasing for Highlights and Subtitles: HERE
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• | | | |  | Re: Decent quality DVD vision. Is it Possible? by Bob Dix on Jun 7, 2012 at 10:14:19 am |
Maybe, Alex > Quote "Bob, what are you talking about? DVD can't sustain more than 9.8 Mbps all streams combined and that on a replicated discs. The guy would do himself a huge favour if he buys CinemaCraft Encoder MP plugin "
I was talking about blu-ray , (that 9.8 mbps looks like DVD).and the results are equivalent to broadcast quality on a Sony Bravia 46" HD, but, if your gear is very Professional well that is a different matter, but, frankly I cannot see much difference from work from CS5.5.2 and broadcast in Australia on the same TV. And I am not a fan of Adobe Encore either, but, output looks very good here, but, no better than Sony Vegas, i will have a look at Cinemacraft Encoder MP Plug in , thanks. You appear to be in the high end stuff, you should know, I left the cinema business years ago
Freelance Imaging & Video
AUSTRALIA
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• | | | |  | Re: Decent quality DVD vision. Is it Possible? by eric pautsch on Jun 7, 2012 at 11:11:54 am |
No offense but it would be somewhat easy to pick out a stream done on Media Encoder or Compressor vs Cinema Craft with an experience compressionist.
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• | | | |  | Re: Decent quality DVD vision. Is it Possible? by Alex Asp on Jun 7, 2012 at 11:21:05 am |
I spoke about CINEMACRAFT MP plugin for COMPRESSOR. $690 here: http://www.visiblelight.com/cinema-craft/
Alex Asp/Solaris Digital Ltd.
Subtitle utilities HERE
Anti-aliasing for Highlights and Subtitles: HERE
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• | | | |  | Re: Decent quality DVD vision. Is it Possible? by David Eaks on Jun 7, 2012 at 11:30:00 am |
I use FCP 7's Print to Video, outputting 1080 to be downscaled with a Matrox MXO2 LE and record straight to DVD with a settop box. If I need to work with the SD video more (e.g. DVD Studio Pro) I'll record SD to my Ki-Pro instead (which also does just as good or better downscale itself) and bring the SD file to compressor.
I too have never been able to get acceptable results with software... Until I tried it in FCPX! By bringing the finished HD edit into an SD Project (aka sequence) and then exporting. I was pleasantly surprised with the results after using compressor's DVD preset and burning. If the HD project in FCPX has a lot of effects/color correction etc. it will take forever to export an SD version. So I'll export HD current settings first, then bring the "baked" clip back in to an SD project to be exported. Not as good as the KiPro, and of course the result is not without artifacts but decent for what it is.
Either way, its not going to be a hollywood quality DVD, but quite honestly I don't even want my DVD's to look any better! As far as I'm concerned DVD needs to die a quick death, it's quality is too comparitely low to today's standards. Its such a shame to shoot beauliful 1920x1080 and deliver crappy SD. Blu-ray or file based delivery is where its at. On many projects I'll give the customer a free Blu-ray along with their DVD just so they'll have it in the future (I'm stunned by the quality of HD video compressed for iPnone even playback to tv via HDMI is good). DVD can't even maintain the quality of video shot on my friggin' cell phone (iPhone 4s)... Dun Dun Dun another format bites the dust.
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• | | | |  | Re: Decent quality DVD vision. Is it Possible? by eric pautsch on Jun 7, 2012 at 4:36:32 pm |
With billions if players, it will be years before DVD is dead.....if at at all
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• | | | |  | Re: Decent quality DVD vision. Is it Possible? by David Eaks on Jun 7, 2012 at 10:20:10 pm |
I know, and top quality DVDs look great and are good enough for most consumers. It's just my opinion that they need to be done away with, not that I am predicting their imminent demise.
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• | | | |  | Re: Decent quality DVD vision. Is it Possible? by Mark Merton on Jun 8, 2012 at 1:22:35 am |
Hey, thanks for all the replies. This is something that's bugged me on a few occasions. I've made plenty of movies in FCP over the years, and the Quicktimes look fantastic on my Mac and on the web, but it's always been the DVD side of things that's stumped me.
I'm very unlikely to spend much money on a solution, as I don't need it very often. I'll just try a few of these suggestions and live with the results. Hope my client can....
Thanks again all.
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• | | | |  | Re: Decent quality DVD vision. Is it Possible? by Alexander Kallas on Jun 11, 2012 at 12:09:45 pm |
The degradation to m2v is what hurts the quality of even the best resolution video the most.
As Alex said, a quality encoder in expert hands will hurt the least, there's no way out of this, and there is no better encoder than CinemaCraft.
Cheers
Alexander
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