| 16x9 Motion menus
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by Zackery Bent on Dec 9, 2009 at 8:45:49 pm |
Thanks for fielding my few questions!
I am creating a DVD with 30+ music video shorts. Some are 4:3 and some are 16x9. I don't have much experience authoring DVDs in 16x9, but I figured since a good deal of my content is 16x9 (and because the typical household display is now 16x9) I should craft my menus in that format.
Is that good logic?
My main menu is a layered menu and my submenus are going to be motion menus created in Apple Motion. Can you give me appropriate video settings to start off in Motion for a 16x9 menu? I am using Compressor for mpeg conversion.
Many thanks!
Zack
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by Michael Sacci on Dec 11, 2009 at 9:10:25 pm |
anytime I have 16:9 video I use 16:9 menus
In Motion I would recommend SD ProRes 720x480 pixel aspect ratio 1.2.
NOTE: the normal ProRes resolution is D1 (720x486) but DVD is 720x480, so if you are making your overlay in motion you want to make the project properties 720x480 so they line up in DVDSP. There is no down side to using this setting for menus.
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by Zackery Bent on Dec 11, 2009 at 9:29:18 pm |
Thanks for the specs Michael. I was trying things out using using the DV NTSC anamorphic setting so its nice to have a better option.
Hopefully I can get this thing together. My TV is stretching the 4:3 content to 16:9 (even though I put the 4:3 stuff in one track and the 16:9 video in its own track). Seems like people run into a lot of issues with TVs and DVD players in this way.
Is there anything else I should be aware of when building a DVD with mixed formats that will help compatibility?
Thanks again the help.
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by Michael Sacci on Dec 12, 2009 at 5:21:57 am |
Yeah, this is a TV issue.
A DVD player has internal handling of 16:9 when the player is hooked up to a 4:3 TV. But with 4:3 assets, menu or video it does sends it out as 4:3 aspect and it is up to you to set your TV correctly and if you. There is nothing in the video signal that tells the TV whether the video is 16:9 or 4:3 so it is helpless.
This is why I always use 16:9 menus and I have actually started to pad 4:3 video with black bars on the sides so that the video is truly 16:9 and will display correctly on a 16:9 TV (with the black bars on the side) and then set the asset to 16:9 Pan and Scan in DVDSP so that if the video goes out to a 4:3 TV it will be full screen because the bars are cropped off. THere is a little quality loss with this method but it solves a bigger problem. Of course you want to set your true 16:9 video to 16:9 letterbox in DVDSP, you can mix and match all you want.
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by Zackery Bent on Dec 12, 2009 at 5:47:42 am |
What a great work around! Makes total sense.
Do you pad in FCP or during compression? I do a pretty simple CBR compression at 7.0 mbps in Compressor which seems like the best quality and I would hate to mess that up.
Lastly, and sorry if this is just my ignorance, I didn't see a SD ProRes preset in Motion (I am using version 3). Am I missing something or is that an export setting?
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by Michael Sacci on Dec 12, 2009 at 6:11:19 am |
I normally just reset the project properties to what I want in Motion before I start building.
CBR at 7 is best you will ever get. You can add padding in DVDSP, just do a short test to make sure it comes out correctly before you are a couple hour encode.
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by Zackery Bent on Dec 12, 2009 at 6:10:32 pm |
Sorry...but I have no idea how to pad the 4:3 video in DVDSP- do you need a script?
Thanks for all your help, Michael.
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by Michael Sacci on Dec 12, 2009 at 6:16:47 pm |
Oops, sorry I was running on about 5 hours of sleep for the past 2 nights. My Bad!
I was trying to say yes to your question, Do you do it is Compressor? You can add the padding in the Geometry tab in Compressor.
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by Zackery Bent on Dec 12, 2009 at 6:21:20 pm |
Fantastic. That is what I was thinking...but I wanted to know the best route. Cheers- Hope you pick up some rest this weekend!
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by Zackery Bent on Jun 9, 2010 at 7:44:45 am |
Just finishing up this DVD, and I am running into a couple issues...wondered if you might be able to assist again.
I used compressor to add padding to my 4x3 footage. When I test it with DVD player on an LCD TV some of the 4x3 videos side padding is gray at times, sometimes when next to black video space, sometimes it flashes gray/black/gray/black??
Thanks a ton.
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