Cinema Craft encode - jaggies
by Eric Hansen
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Apr 25, 2009 at 11:17:11 pm
i'm encoding with Compressor with the Cinema Craft MP plug-in. on areas of solid Red, Blue or Black, i'm getting pixelization and jaggies on edges. one example is an interviewee is wearing a red and black striped jacket and theres a lot of jaggies and chroma bleed along the edges of the stripes. the source video - 45min Uncompressed 10bit HD, is chroma and luma safe. these jaggies only really show at the edges of solid colors. all other edges are soft and blend nicely.
any thoughts?
thanks
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Eric Hansen, The Audio Visual Plumber - www.avplumber.com
Re: Cinema Craft encode - jaggies by Michael Sacci on Apr 26, 2009 at 4:38:34 am
DVD hates red, try encoding short clips and if you can use a secondary to shift the red towards orange. DVD is also not too fond of solid colors with hard edges. A lot of this is from going from a 4:2:2 to 4:2:0 color space.
I don't have CinemaCraft (yet) how many passes are trying. Test with a lot of passes and 10 minute clips, see if that helps.
Re: Cinema Craft encode - jaggies by Eric Hansen on Apr 26, 2009 at 9:19:50 pm
thanks for the suggestions Michael. i know red can be an issue, but i was surprised to see it with other colors.
initially, the encode was done using a single quicktime file, but i've gone back and added Final Cut's edit markers from the original timeline to see if that helps the encode. then i'm gonna test adding more compression markers in problem areas. the color correct on this project (done by another facility) i personally think just went too far and is too saturated and contrasty. i might try using Final Cut's RGB Limiter to bring the reds and blues back down.
btw, the original encode was done with VBR, 7500 average bit rate, Multipass 10, everything else default. since there's plenty of space left on the single layer DVD, i'm gonna try a 9Mbps CBR.
overall this encoder is way better than Compressor and i'm very happy with it. i think i'm just dealing with less than ideal source footage. i will say that the sections of the piece that are Super16 are stunning with this encoder.
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Eric Hansen, The Audio Visual Plumber - www.avplumber.com
Re: Cinema Craft encode - jaggies by Bouke Vahl on Apr 27, 2009 at 6:55:26 am
Two things:
1) with a datarate that high, you better be replicating, not duplicating. (Burned discs do not like high datarates nor VBR)
Also, if you have room to spare, why VBR? (That does not mean multiple passes isn't a good idea!)
2) How are you monitoring your DVD. If you watch composit, are you sure you're not seeing composit video artefacts? Most DVD players have a component output, make sure you watch component.
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Re: Cinema Craft encode - jaggies by Eric Hansen on Apr 27, 2009 at 3:16:41 pm
i guess i've just always done VBR automatically because my videos are action sports with a lot of fast movement. and space has always been an issue with extras, but this project has no extras. 45min on a single layer DVD.
this project is for replication. am i using too high a bitrate? the CBR 9000 does look really good and hasnt skipped yet on our players. but i obviously don't want issues after 1000 of these things are replicated, so if the consensus is that 9000 is too high, i will lower it. what is the general max for CBR?
thanks. its been awhile since i've authored a DVD and all the help is really appreciated.
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Eric Hansen, The Audio Visual Plumber - www.avplumber.com
Re: Cinema Craft encode - jaggies by Bouke Vahl on Apr 27, 2009 at 3:40:52 pm
For replication you'll be fine with 9000, assuming AC-3 audio, that adds 192. (Uncompressed stereo audio adds 1440, and that puts you over the top.)
So even 9500 will be within specs.
And burned discs (in this case) are only important for checking, so if that goes well on your player, you're good to go.
Bouke
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