Re: Blu Ray Authoring in Studio Pro by Rennie Klymyk on Jul 12, 2008 at 12:04:33 am
Don't forget Sonic bought out Roxio and they dropped Mac years ago with their pro solutions. Who ever does come up with something equal to DSP for BR will get a rush of business from all of us, that's for sure.
"thou can not stir a flower without crumbling a star" ......Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
Re: Blu Ray Authoring in Studio Pro by Mike Schrengohst on Jul 16, 2008 at 3:37:58 pm
Apple needs to get on the stick.....
I have the Adobe video bundle for the MAC and
Encore blows in comparision to DVD SP.
But I can build a Blu-Ray title and have done
some testing. I just want to be sure I don't
buy a Blu-Ray burner that won't work
with DVD SP if and when the day comes
Apple announces SOMETHING in regards
to Blu-Ray support.
Re: Blu Ray Authoring in Studio Pro by Michael Sacci on Jul 16, 2008 at 3:52:16 pm
Sorry Eric, have to totally disagree, I know that Apple wants everything to do to downloads via iTunes but that is not going to happen. I would bet we are going to see a major upgrade to DVDSP with BluRay announced around NAB 09. I have no inside info by any means, just the normal timing of things, every other year, DVDSP has had only minor tweeks/upgrades since v2.
But for the other Mike, if you need BluRay now get a drive and don't worry about it, if should work with DVDSP when the time comes but if it doesn't you just buy the one that does. If I cannot pay for a $500 piece of equipment in 6 months I feel I really don't need that equipment. But that drive would always work with Toast or backup, you will find a use for it.
Re: Blu Ray Authoring in Studio Pro by Mike Schrengohst on Jul 16, 2008 at 4:02:27 pm
Yes, I was looking on REDUSER and someone had a totally workflow to go from
FCP>After Effects>Encore and the burn using an external Blu-Ray burner.
As far as iTunes wanting to rule the world. Good Luck. It is a giant but I need
solutions to display HD at corporate events and such - not using a computer, that
is somewhat idiot proof and does not take an entire team of techs to accomplish.
Re: Blu Ray Authoring in Studio Pro by eric pautsch on Jul 16, 2008 at 4:06:12 pm
I hope your right! :)
The iTunes download thing is just part of the reason. I just don't see Apple coughing up the millions of dollars in licensing fees and development costs its going to require to build a BD authoring tool. Blu Ray in FCP Studio isn't going to sell more FCP Studios so whats the incentive for them?
Edit: Mike - Someday..everyone will be downloading movies like they do music now...thats a given. The question is when will it happen?
Re: Blu Ray Authoring in Studio Pro by Michael Sacci on Jul 16, 2008 at 4:20:53 pm
I'm sure the licensing fees will flatten out (eventually) and Apple has to get in the game, they are not the first to jump in to many things, now long have smart phones been around, but when they do jump in they do a pretty job where they start. The FCS all-in-one concept has its pros and cons, while it is a great value for those that need most of the package, I think it tends to slow down the development of the parts. But HD is as much of a marketing things as a feature so Apple would get a lot of play out of it and I think starting next year more and more people will have to be authoring BR and you may start seeing a lot of new and upgrade customers going to adobe instead of the FCS3 if DVDSP BR doesn't happen.
Funny this I think the whole FCS is in a weird place, DVDSP desperately needs new features, while FCP and Color need a lot of stability issues resolved more that added features. And they all need to be written better to really take advantage of all these cores they got in them now.
Mike, sorry their is no way to achieve idiot-proof, no matter how high you take it, there will be idiots there to show you you failed. Never underestimate how stupid your clients are. That is my motto.
Eric, I'm always right, if you don't believe me just ask my wife. :-0
Re: Blu Ray Authoring in Studio Pro by Mike Schrengohst on Jul 16, 2008 at 5:52:27 pm
LOL, idiot proof. Many of my corporate clients are using old laptop PC's that won't even play DVD.
And many have a hard time playing WMV. So it is tough to deliver when the companies won't update.
Many of those folks in frustration have bought there own MAC laptops to just be competitive.
I have shown many clients the difference between SD and HD and many companies that show
detailed videos at tradeshows could really use Blu-Ray. I have set up some with MAC laptops that
can go direct into a LCD monitor playing QuickTime in HD with good results. These corporate types want a disc. Maybe in 10 years when the 15 year olds of today get into corporate America having a wireless internet HD download in real time will be a reality. For now I plan to use ADOBE Encore to get my Blu-Rays produced. And ironically enough, before NAB 2008 someone from Apple called me and asked how I was doing and I told her direct - Blu-Ray we need Blu-Ray and she said Hmmmm, a lot of customers have said that???
Re: Blu Ray Authoring in Studio Pro by eric pautsch on Jul 17, 2008 at 5:00:16 pm
I was just thinking last night about all this.
Wouldn't you think if Apple (or any other handheld device) would allow mpeg 2,VC-1,or AVC 1080p video, using existing encoders, while including an HDMI port - wouldn't it be GAME OVER for Blu Ray. At least on the corporate level?
Apple has to be thinking down this road as we speak.
Re: Blu Ray Authoring in Studio Pro by Mike Schrengohst on Jul 19, 2008 at 12:55:07 pm
Sure, Apple TV and other units to playback HD video are great. I can hook up my computer and pump out HD now. I have in the past used JVC units to playback .TS streams for clients at tradeshows. Clients are asking me for Blu-Ray now so I need a solution regardless if Apple can provide it. It would be great to be able to use DVD SP to do this.
Re: Blu Ray Authoring in Studio Pro by Alex Elkins on Jul 23, 2008 at 1:41:36 pm
This is a really interesting thread. I'm also trying to find a way to produce Blue-Ray discs.
I've got Toast 8 Titanium but have never actually used it and looking at it for the first time now I can't see where the option is to burn in Blu-Ray. There are numerous mentions of the format in the manual but no mention of how to actually do it. It just says you can do it, which is rather frustrating!
Re: Blu Ray Authoring in Studio Pro by Rennie Klymyk on Jul 23, 2008 at 5:59:04 pm
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I think Toast 8 can burn data to bluray but not a proper functioning bluray movie with a simple menu. This is what Toast 9 is supposed to do.
You need a bluray burner and you should be good to go with Toast 9.
If you go into any home electronics store you would be hard pressed to be able to buy a standard def tv. It seems HD are almost all that are available and I'd assume 95% of home tv's being purchased are HD sets. The general population should be ready for ALL their content to be delivered on HD media yet only the large production studios have the proper tool sets to provide decent bluray discs.
Is Apple waiting for someone to create a decent bluray authoring program for the mac so they can then step in and buy them up and put their name on it?
CF and SD flash card media is getting to such large capacities and low cost perhaps we will be able to author high definition titles with complex menus to them and we will see home theater monitors coming out equipped with slots and software to read and play content directly off them. Printers have had this capability for several years to print still photos and other files without a computer. The time is ripe for another technology to replace bluray for us small producers who need something affordable for our lower than Hollywood budgets. We need some form of physical media to hand off to clients that can hold a similar amount of data as a bluray disc. DVD's have served the Hollywood Studio market, small producers market and the general public computer users market for the last 10 years but in the 4-5 years since it's conception bluray has failed to provide a solution for all these groups as an HD movie and data content media. It seems Sony's intended use for bluray is distribution of it's copyright protected features from Sony Studios and the playstation games. These other large markets need an alternative.
"thou can not stir a flower without crumbling a star" ......Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
Re: Blu Ray Authoring in Studio Pro by John Higgs on Jul 23, 2008 at 7:47:42 pm
Hi All,
Little did i expect my question to get so many hits, no you can't burn Blu Ray video in Toast 8 only data. If you want to create a Blu Ray disc to play on most Blu Ray players you need Toast 9 with the HD-plugin. As DVD Studio Pro is only good for HD-DVD authoring, and as you might know has now bittern the dust so it is useless for HD work. By the way you don't have to have a Blu Ray burner to burn
Blu Ray disc's, or expensive Blu Ray blank disc's, just use standard DVD disc's in your Mac burner, you
will get 40Mins of HD footage on them. I am happy with the HD disc's i now create, but please Apple
get cracking on Blu Ray in Studeo Pro.
Re: Blu Ray Authoring in Studio Pro by Rich Rubasch on Jul 24, 2008 at 2:50:43 am
To clarify when you say you buen HD discs to standard DVD-R media do you mean the disc is BluRay compatible? And you use Toast and a regular DVD burner to do it? Can you make it a simple pop and play with no menu? How about a looping Blu Ray disc? Is a seamless looping BluRay disc on a standard DVD possible with Toast 9 and the HD plugin?
Re: Blu Ray Authoring in Studio Pro by John Higgs on Jul 24, 2008 at 2:28:09 pm
Hi Rich,
I will give you the low down on how i create a HD Blu Ray. I edit in FCP [full blown HD-Cam at
10Bits uncompressed] i then export to quicktime conversion using H624 to create a file, this is then imported into Toast 9[ with the HD plug in installed] you can put a simple menu on the movie using up to six buttons if you wish, at the same time you insert a standard DVD disc in the Mac burner and burn, it's as simple as that. The disc can then be played on most Blu Ray payers, and Sony PS3. yes and it is full HD.
You can burn HD-DVD the same way, i have created both formats with outstanding results, hope this info is of some use to you.
PS, Don't let anyone tell you you need a Blu Ray burner to create HD disc's, yes if you need more than 40Min,s you will require a Blu Ray burner.
John Higgs.
Re: Blu Ray Authoring in Studio Pro by Rennie Klymyk on Jul 24, 2008 at 5:09:43 pm
[John Higgs]"Toast 9[ with the HD plug in installed] you can put a simple menu on the movie using up to six buttons if you wish, at the same time you insert a standard DVD disc in the Mac burner and burn,"
Cool, now Toast 9 I can afford and why pay $15.00 a disc if you don't have to.
Hopefully DSP will soon support bluray and we can take full advantage of the new features available in bluray.
"thou can not stir a flower without crumbling a star" ......Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
Re: Blu Ray Authoring in Studio Pro by John Higgs on Jul 24, 2008 at 6:22:20 pm
15Dollar's, lucky you don't live in the UK, last time i bought a 5pack of Sony Blu Ray BD-RE they cost £70-00 140Dollar's or 28 Dollar's each, i know you get 25Gig's but for most of my work i only require between 10/20Mins duration witch fit's on the standard dvd disc.
John Higgs.
Re: Blu Ray Authoring in Studio Pro by Dave Bingham on Aug 7, 2008 at 2:26:43 pm
I saw your post on authoring Blu Ray onto standard DVD and using FCP to "quicktime conversion using H624." I suppose you meant H264. Anyway, what bit rate setting do yo use on export?
