Shake with Snow Leopard Tests
by Gray Wilson
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Aug 28, 2009 at 12:10:08 am
Hey everyone, if you have installed Snow Leopard let us know how Shake is effected. I plan on getting Snow Leopard soon and will post results. I talked with an Apple support tech and they weren't sure that Shake would work. Keeping my fingers crossed.
Gray
Re: Shake with Snow Leopard Tests by Gray Wilson on Aug 28, 2009 at 9:35:39 pm
I've been thinking of building a linux box as a kind of "super shake box" :) Anybody tried this? What are the main differences between the Mac version and the Linux version? And where would I go to learn linux? I'm not really a coder but have people to help build a custom box. I'm figuring that if ILM still uses Shake than it's good enough for me regardless of what Apple does with it's operation system.
Re: Shake with Snow Leopard Tests by Phil Hoppes on Aug 28, 2009 at 10:44:37 pm
Well, first you need to get the Linux version of Shake. Back when Apple was still selling Shake, the Mac version was $500 but the Linux version was still $5000. Apple knew the ILM's of the world would still pay top dollar for it although I have to guess every big studio that was already using the Linux version had some large site license to begin with so the 5K price Apple was charging was moot. More it was probably to discourage non ILM type's from buying it so Apple did not have to support a different OS.
Linux is not too difficult to set up these days but it still is not for the faint of heart. There can still be some issues with drivers and hardware in particular with graphics and audio. I've used Linux for years in a CAE environment but it was more for a server function. Workstation clients were really not taxing the graphics end as things such as texture maps and rendering were not an issue. You want to be sure the graphics card you pick is well supported for the particular Linux distro you use. For me, I would not try using something that was not on the supported distro list from Apple. Not sure what that was but I'm guessing something like Fedora 8 or one of the not so recent versions of Ubunto. Audio still can be a crap shoot especially if you want mp3 support. Windows media and quicktime support is also
sketchy. Not that most of this can't be done but it's not your Mac download a .dmg file, double click and install or the similar experience for windows. There can be a fair amount of lower level google this problem. Find the patch. Download it. Install it ... if you know how. Some things install in linux very Mac/Windows like (rpm type files) and other things are less obvious. A file may come as a tar file (.tgz, .bz) With these you need to uncompress them and most times move them to the right location on your hard drive so the installed application can be seen. You then need to change your environment path so the new installed application can be seen and used.
Again, not to get slammed by any linux lovers, I am not saying you can't do it and probably do it quite cheaply for a pretty fast machine but Linux is not always just a walk in the park and in particular some of the media support issues can be a real PITA.
Re: Shake with Snow Leopard Tests by Gray Wilson on Aug 29, 2009 at 12:41:02 am
Thank you for the response. I forgot that I would need a different version of Shake to run it on Linux. I guess I'm spoilt from Adobe, Newtek, Luxology and every other software vendor that would let me change OS with no problem. So the linux version of Shake is $5,000? Wow!
Re: Shake with Snow Leopard Tests by Arnie Schlissel on Aug 30, 2009 at 2:27:53 am
[Gray Wilson]"So the linux version of Shake is $5,000? Wow!"
Get used to it! The current version of Nuke is $3500 plus another $1000 for the mandatory first year's support contract, Fusion is $5000 plus a $400 support contract.
It's cheaper to buy a Mac & Shake than to buy just Nuke or Fusion. But then, Apple is a hardware company.
Arnie
Post production is not an afterthought!
http://www.arniepix.com/
Re: Shake with Snow Leopard Tests by Gray Wilson on Aug 30, 2009 at 4:23:17 am
Now I don't mind 3,500 for Nuke. It's a great application. (don't know much about Fusion) I was just a little shocked to see Shake (a dead product) being sold for 5,000. I hope somebody starts a foundation, buys the core code and releases Shake as open source. Very unlikely I know, but I can dream :)
Blender Foundation/Mozilla are you listening?
Gray Wilson
realgraycreative.com
P.S. And if I get to a point that I need a true 3d space in my compositor I will probably switch to Nuke. I have even started learning it via their personal learning addition which is nice of them. Right now I'm trying to learn about NukeX which is going to be 6,000. It has an integrated 3d tracker which is nice. But I have syntheyes so it's not an issue.
Re: Shake with Snow Leopard Tests by Andrew Shanks on Aug 30, 2009 at 8:51:57 am
I haven't gone Snow Leopard yet (will wait for the dust to clear and maybe a .01 update before making the leap).
Having said that, I was on another forum earlier and someone there had run up both Nuke and Shake on their SL system, Nuke works faster apparently (better with cpu handing) and they did a test rendering a 10bit quicktime on Shake and all went fine, so that seems promising, ....but its still too early to tell if any bugs might be lurking.
One comment is that QuicktimeX has a great interface, has some nice features (like HD sized video screen capture, built in, for doing tutorials) but is missing a few things from the old Quicktime7 (like timecode/frame number, JKL, etc), ...for this reason Quicktime7 is also installed and tucked away so you can use it still.
I'd be interested to hear from those who do upgrade in the near future to see if they come across any bugs with using Shake on the new OS.
Re: Shake with Snow Leopard Tests by Ivan Sijak on Aug 30, 2009 at 1:08:18 pm
Hi every one,
here is link to actual Shake test and bench results for G4, G5, Intel & Nehalem on 10.4, 10.5 & 10.6.
There is also Shake project that i use for bench so you can try it your self.
Re: Shake with Snow Leopard Tests by Dan Harris on Sep 10, 2009 at 12:24:23 pm
Thanks for that upload which was almost really useful ... but the comparison between 10.5 and 10.6 on the same hardware took twice as long on 10.6 until I noticed you had omitted the -cpus 2 switch on the 10.6 test. Could you redo that test with the switch?
Re: Shake with Snow Leopard Tests by Ivan Chavez on Nov 10, 2009 at 10:34:32 am
Hi there...
First hours with a SL upgrade from leopard...
Shake used to have a pre-rendering function called Render Disk Flipbook, it still have it, but is no longer working. I think it´s one of the colateral damages of the new QTX included in the new OS.
Too bad, because it was a fast way to determine how your work was doing, and I haven´t found any workaround yet....
Any sugestion will be highly apreciated ;-)
Re: Shake with Snow Leopard Tests by Ivan Sijak on Nov 10, 2009 at 7:01:09 pm
Hi Ivan,
how was Snow Leopard installed, as update or clean instal?
In my case it was upgrade over 10.5.8, and all applications worked well.
Soon after i downgraded back to 10.5.8 because i did after period a clean install and i was not able to install some software packages which worked on 10.5.8.
So im just curious about the case?
On the other hand, shake uses some specific directories for cache and stuff so first check if they exist?
Cache for instance is in /private/var/folders/Cc/CczYX2O1HnC5aKk90jnvN++++TI/-Tmp-/Shake/...
If there is no such directory, maybe thats why?