text quality comparison?
by sean brennan
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Aug 21, 2009 at 11:44:53 pm
Text I create in Boris RED looks a tiny bit jagged around the edges both in the composite window and when rendered to premiere timeline, yet the same text I replicate in Premiere Pro's titler looks so much better, softer and more professional when placed side by side!
Why is this, I have set all Boris settings to High and Full Res...have I missed something?
Re: text quality comparison? by peter mcauley on Aug 24, 2009 at 11:09:34 pm
Hi Sean,
The text from RED should be razor sharp - are you generating raster or vector text? If it's raster, try converting it to vector. You can do that in RED by clicking on the track type icon on the text track (to the left of the "Eyeball" icon) and setting it to 3D Line Art.
Re: text quality comparison? by paul taylor on Aug 25, 2009 at 12:42:32 am
Hi Peter thanks for the reply.
Unfortunately this doesn't help. I create vector text by clicking add vector text icon, type some text in text window (which looks perfect at this point) but viewed in the timeline or boris monitor window it's not as smooth. Edges are more jagged like it hasn't been aliasing. Where are the settings for text quality ie hard, soft, smooth anti aliasing on/off etc ?
Re: text quality comparison? by peter mcauley on Aug 25, 2009 at 2:31:23 am
Hmmm ... you might want to go to the project settings pane by selecting Edit>Project Settings and click on the 1:2:1 Deflickering option to see if that helps. Note that you wont's see a change until you close the Project Settings window.
Re: text quality comparison? by sean brennan on Aug 25, 2009 at 2:14:13 am
Thanks for the help Peter sadly it doesn't work. I create vector text by clicking on the icon, type something in the text window that pops up and whilst it looks good in there, in the monitor window and rendered to premiere it's jaggy. I've tried different fonts and different sizes. Premiere's own titler still looks Anti-aliasing and much smoother when I replicate this title. Can you tell me where are these aliasing settings in Boris RED, failing that, anything else I could try?
Thanks
Re: text quality comparison? by peter mcauley on Aug 25, 2009 at 2:31:49 am
Hmmm ... you might want to go to the project settings pane by selecting Edit>Project Settings and click on the 1:2:1 Deflickering option to see if that helps. Note that you wont's see a change until you close the Project Settings window.
Re: text quality comparison? by sean brennan on Aug 25, 2009 at 3:47:41 am
hmm, it made a tiny bit of difference. Please take a look at my screen caps: http://www.yousendit.com/download/YkxJblR0UnFCSWV4dnc9PQ zoom in and you'll see what my issue is. If you have any other suggestions please let me know, thanks for you time.
Re: text quality comparison? by peter mcauley on Aug 26, 2009 at 1:17:18 pm
Hi Sean,
Thanks for sending the screenshots - they really help in our understanding of the result that you are seeing. I'm forwarding the images and description to engineering to see if someone knows why the text is appearing aliased and not as smooth as expected.
Re: text quality comparison? by Christopher Wright on Aug 26, 2009 at 6:36:34 pm
Sean,
are you editing with HDV or DV footage?
If so, those codecs really destroy any text or compositing treatments to your original footage.
Also are you viewing the output on a real TV monitor or just the Premiere Canvas??
This will also make a difference.
Dual 2.5 G5, IO, Kona LH, IO, Medea Raid, UL4D, NVidia 6800, 4Gig RAM
Nehalem Octocore 12 GB Ram, Nvidia card, MBP, MXO, MXO2 mini, Windows Vista Adobe Studio CS4, Vegas 9.0, Lightwave 9.6, Sound Forge 9, Acid Pro 7, Continuum 6, Boris Red 4, Combustion 2008, Sapphire Effects
Re: text quality comparison? by sean brennan on Aug 26, 2009 at 10:31:43 pm
I edit with DV. I view on the premiere canvas.
Premiere Project settings were DV-PAL Standard 48khz. A New Boris Composition was added 720X576 D1/DVPAL. Vector text created and applied. The resulting still image dragged from bin to the timeline. The result was jagged. Using the same technique but with the premiere titler (same settings) the result is smooth on the same canvas as indicated by the print screen upload.
Interesting, I have just exporting the boris title from premiere to a .tiff file and viewed it in Photoshop ... Now it displays perfectly smooth. Very strange.
Re: text quality comparison? by peter mcauley on Aug 26, 2009 at 10:50:40 pm
Hi Sean,
I have a sneaking suspicion that it's a problem with fielding in Premiere Pro. It may be something in RED/Graffiti or it may be something in the host. We won't really know until one of the engineers takes a look into the code.
As soon as I hear back from them I'll pass that info along.
Re: text quality comparison? any news? by sean brennan on Sep 8, 2009 at 9:07:49 am
Did you get any feedback from the engineers Peter? This is clearly a problem as you recognise and I'm having to use premiere titler because it's fielding and Anti-aliasing is superior.
Thanks
Re: text quality comparison? any news? by peter mcauley on Sep 8, 2009 at 11:22:08 am
Hi Sean,
The folks in engineering are still looking into the problem - I'll check in with them to see if they have made any progress in diagnosing the problem and arriving at a solution.
Re: text quality comparison? by Bill Portune on Sep 9, 2009 at 10:46:52 pm
I've had this problem always with RED in FCP. I have to add 0.3 of BCC Blur to all my titles to get the "jaggies" to smooth out. Especially noticeable on the diagonals of the text or when using italics - annoying!
Re: text quality comparison? by sean brennan on Oct 20, 2009 at 8:06:23 pm
It's been a long, long time since you responed Peter, what did the engineers conclude in the end, they've had plenty of time!?
A recognised problem by the sound of it, I'd like to know what's being done if any thing?
