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JesseSWhat video card do you use for combustion 4.0?
by on Jan 25, 2006 at 6:58:48 pm

Hey All,

I am looking to increase my preview-rendering time with particle operators and composite operators in combustion 4.

I have done my homework here and it still seems to be a shot in the dark as to what video card to replace mine with. I have check the autodesk's website and talked to there rep. I also looked at all the user forums too.

So my question is what video card do you use and would you recommend it?

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I have a ATI FireGL V3100 (Vram is 128) in the computer described below.
Dell: Precision 380 (http://features.cgsociety.org/story_custom.php?story_id=3094&page=)
OS: XP Pro
Prossessor: Intel P4 3.60Ghz (2 CPUs)
Memory: 2 Gigs
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Thanks
-=Jesse=-



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Alan OkeyRe: What video card do you use for combustion 4.0?
by on Jan 26, 2006 at 1:44:09 am

Generally speaking, you can't go wrong with the nVidia Quadro FX series, particularly the 3000 and 4000 model range. Pricey, but worth it if you need a solid, well-supported product.




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JesseSRe: What video card do you use for combustion 4.0?
by on Jan 26, 2006 at 1:47:00 am

What video card do you use and would you recommend it?



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gary m davisRe: What video card do you use for combustion 4.0?
by on Jan 26, 2006 at 2:45:55 am

nvidia quadro FX. the higher the number, the better the card.

ie: fx1400 not bad, fx4500 goooood

//gD





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Norman LafranchiRe: What video card do you use for combustion 4.0?
by on Jan 26, 2006 at 6:43:25 am

I read a post (on another nameless forum), where the poster, who had an NVidia 4500FX card, said it made absolutely no difference to his OpenGL rendering ability, compared to say a high-end gaming card like the NVidia7800GT. However, if you have the money, the 4500FX card would be great! (For 3DS MAx or Maya.)

I have the 7800GT and it works fine, however as several people here have said, OpenGL works a little on the crappy side with C4 no matter which card you have (generally buggy performance). I was all gung-ho about it for awhile but eventually I gave up and used software again because it was too unpredictable as to what was going to happen.

I can't quite understand why that is... after all they have the flame working just great with the 4500FX!


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B.J. AhlenRe: What video card do you use for combustion 4.0?
by on Jan 26, 2006 at 6:44:48 pm

For the moment I'm using an eVGA nVidia 6600GT card that I paid about $125 for, works well with everything and has decent performance.

I'm also planning to use a 7800GT on my next PCI Express workstation, this is not the highest performance card but within a few percent of that, with less heat and noise to boot.

When buying an nVidia card, it makes a difference which manufacturer you go with. Some have true lifetime warranties on their cards, some have lifetime warranties that expire when the card is superseded by a newer model, and some have the common 3-12 month "good luck" warranties.

I like eVGA's nVidia cards in this category, because they have a true lifetime warranty, and they seem to write solid drivers. OpenGL 2.0 is important for many of us, and even my measly card has that.

The other non-workstation card manufacturers are often well behind in OpenGL because they focus so intensely on gamers.

Even Lightwave 3D tech support suggested using good gaming cards instead of the workstation cards that are so vastly more expensive.

Yes, there are those who truly need the specific features of say the FX4500, but far from everybody using Combustion.



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KukyRe: What video card do you use for combustion 4.0?
by on Jan 26, 2006 at 7:32:13 pm

Ok, let's clarify this. We used extensively Combustion for the latest Salma Hayek & Penelope Cruz movie (Bandidas). There were quite heavy compositions with cc, transforms, keyers, heavy painting, etc ... 40+ layers, 2k anamorphic, 3d luts. I worked on workstations with QuadroFX 1300, QuadroFX 1400, QuadroFX 4500, GeForce 6800 (not sure which version, I'm at home). Guess what: 6800 was the best!!!

There was no difference when I was doing transforms or anything in the interface. Besides that when you switch to OpenGL you loose pixel aspect ratio (mega important when you do wire removal in paint module), you loose lut view (mega important when you do cc, keying on a footage with logarithmic depth)

It's a mistery why the OpenGL implementation in Combustion is so useless. We have also Flame & Flint suites on SGI machines which are 5 year old. They are faster in interaction then anything even today!!! We will get a Flint on Linux in a couple of months so I'm very curious to see how fast it's moving on the interface. After all it's a PC with a QuadroFX card.

Regards,
Cristian



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JesseSRe: What video card do you use for combustion 4.0?
by on Jan 26, 2006 at 8:53:54 pm

Hi Kuky,

What is the card manufacturers for the GeForce 6800.

Thanks
-=Jesse=-



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Norman LafranchiRe: What video card do you use for combustion 4.0?
by on Jan 27, 2006 at 6:31:02 pm

There's quite a boatload... eVGA, Chaintech, Gigabyte, Leadtech, Asus, MSI to name a few.
I've had good success with eVGA.



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Norman LafranchiRe: What video card do you use for combustion 4.0?
by on Jan 27, 2006 at 6:39:29 pm

Thanks for that very astute post. It's a mystery to me also why an older flame (Octane MXE for example), with an SGI graphics card that looks like it came from the 1970s, easily outperforms any other compositing software, C4 included (for non-processor rendered effects). All these programs use OpenGL now! That model of flame is like 7-8 years old.


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KukyRe: What video card do you use for combustion 4.0?
by on Jan 27, 2006 at 7:39:39 pm

Yeap, Octane MXE is what we have also. It will kill in interactivity anything even today. You can find one under 1000 usd on the ebay (without any add-on cards obviously). Unfortunately the render speed on sparks it's pathetic. We did some benchmarks with a Linux based Flint and we began to cry :))


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Alan OkeyRe: What video card do you use for combustion 4.0?
by on Jan 30, 2006 at 12:55:38 am

Flint and Flame are very mature products, and were designed from the beginning to utilize OpenGL hardware extensively. For example, there's no such thing as "OpenGL mode" in FFI, it's OpenGL by default (except for CPU-bound rendering). I'm betting that the superior interactivity of the older SGI systems is mostly due to the level of optimization discreet has made to its software running on SGI graphics hardware, not due to any inherent advantages of the SGI hardware itself. I haven't heard indicataions that the SGI systems' OpenGL performance is anything but outdated when discussing 3D applications.

Also, keep in mind that Autodesk lacks motivation to substantially improve OpenGL performance in Combustion because it wants to avoid cannibalizing its high end discreet systems division.


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Norman LafranchiRe: What video card do you use for combustion 4.0?
by on Jan 30, 2006 at 5:31:05 am

"Also, keep in mind that Autodesk lacks motivation to substantially improve OpenGL performance in Combustion because it wants to avoid cannibalizing its high end discreet systems division."

Yes exactly. I keep thinking someone else will come up with a compositer to challenge them in speed, but so far there's nothing out there. It's probably a combination of very specific hardware, highly optimized software, file system etc.

But you'd think they could get a little closer. I'd settle for a quarter as fast :)


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Mike JamesQuadro = Good
by on Jan 29, 2006 at 2:00:40 am

I got a quadro fx 700 on eBay for $89 (only a 128mb card) and it kills the ATI Radeon 9800 SE 256 card. And it destroys the nVidia FX 5700LE 256mb card that was in that system before the ATI card. FYI

I already had one system with a Quadro FX 3000 which again I got on ebay for a little over $350 (it is even faster of course).


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JesseSRe: Quadro = Good
by on Jan 29, 2006 at 6:52:35 pm

Hi Mike,

What is the video card manufacturers for the Quadro FX 3000 & Quadro fx 700.

Thanks
-=Jesse=-

F.Y.I. Just a side note use the DirectX Diagnostic tool to find out the card manufacturers.

Here are the steps:
1. Click on the Start menu
2. Click on "Run..."
3. Type in "dxdiag"
4. Click on the "Display" tab.


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Norman LafranchiRe: Quadro = Good
by on Feb 1, 2006 at 8:03:48 pm

I'm not sure of all but I do know that PNY is one of them.



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