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Phil RadelatWhat's Up With combustion On Macs?
by on May 9, 2005 at 5:30:06 pm

I've just been drafted to do a comp project at work, but it's a Mac house. Looking around for combustion in NYC I found out that:

A) There's no c4 for Mac

B) Nobody's carrying stock on c3 for Mac

I don't know how much time I have before we jump ship on the comp option and reshoot, but I'm wondering if there's any Mac combustion to be had, period. I kinda need this, like, now. We're running version 10.3.8 of OS-X, if that means anything. Thanks.


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David Roth WeissRe: What's Up With combustion On Macs?
by on May 9, 2005 at 6:21:36 pm

Go to Ebay. There is a package for sale there. Make sure you can get an authorizations code though before you purchase.


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Todd BeaboutRe: What's Up With combustion On Macs?
by on May 9, 2005 at 6:26:45 pm

I'd stay away from eBay. But that's just me. Do a search in the Cow's forums about buying software from eBay. Especially discr... AutoDesk.


-Todd Beabout
Vazda Studios


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Todd BeaboutRe: What's Up With combustion On Macs?
by on May 9, 2005 at 6:24:20 pm

I believe that I had heard it would be available for Mac "in May". Still waiting here too man...

You can buy c3 from the discreet site still (I just checked it looking for a Mac release date... nothing) and it has a message saying that you get the c4 upgrade free of course if you buy now.

Good luck!

-Todd Beabout
Vazda Studios


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zolotrophRe: What's Up With combustion On Macs?
by on May 9, 2005 at 7:05:45 pm

Personally, I hate it when post houses define themselves as "Mac houses" or "PC houses." Sure, it might be easier for IT staff, but it's arbitrarily limiting for the people who have to work there. I prefer a platform-agnostic approach myself. My philosophy is to use the best tool for the job, whatever that may be.

I've got a dual G5 for Final Cut Pro, and it's obvious to me after working with both versions that combustion is superior on the Windows platform. Rather than bitching at discreet about their inability to optimize the Mac version of c*, I just decided that I'd have to get a good PC if I want the best combustion performance. In an ideal world this wouldn't be the case, but I'm more of a pragmatist than an idealist.

;)

-zolo


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Phil RadelatRe: What's Up With combustion On Macs?
by on May 9, 2005 at 7:21:04 pm

Thanks for everyone's response. Well, I'm certainly not the buyer at my company [G]. I'm dealing with Macs, period. My problem is getting my hands on a physical copy of the Mac software. There's no Mac version available at the Autodesk site even for download, other than a "marked" trial version. I can't believe I can't find a damnned copy of this in New York City!


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Ryan KellyRe: What's Up With combustion On Macs?
by on May 9, 2005 at 7:26:39 pm

before you buy off of ebay check out this thread:

http://www.creativecow.net/forum/view_thread.php?threadid=781972&forumid=15...


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Todd BeaboutRe: What's Up With combustion On Macs?
by on May 9, 2005 at 7:26:56 pm

I just checked the discreet site again, and I see a downloadable Mac version of c3 at this address:

http://estore.discreet.com/dr/v2/ec_MAIN.Entry10?V1=604550&PN=1&SP=10023&xi...

Let me know if it doesn't work for some reason. (Just curious, not that I could really help) =)

-Todd Beabout
Vazda Studios


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alex udellRe: What's Up With combustion On Macs?
by on May 9, 2005 at 8:10:25 pm

Phil...

E-mail me and and I'll see if I can help you...

Alex


Alex Udell
a guy that knows how to do some stuff with combustion

My Reel: http://alexudell.no-ip.biz

COMBUSTION EXCHANGE FTP
ftp://combustionexchange.no-ip.com
login: combustion_user
pw: learn


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FX BearRe: What's Up With combustion On Macs?
by on May 9, 2005 at 8:37:45 pm

May is here but I have not seen a release date for Combustion 4 on the Mac platform. What gives?


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Peter WikoffRe: What's Up With combustion On Macs?
by on May 9, 2005 at 9:41:53 pm

Hold your breath. I spoke with a Autodesk employee at NAB and asked about the May ship date for C4. I was told "Ah...it looks more like August right now." Like C3, it seems that Autodesk continues to make the PC it's priority. He didn't say what the problems are (maybe they are still trying to get it to work with Tiger).

Peter


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gary m. davisRe: What's Up With combustion On Macs?
by on May 10, 2005 at 2:12:34 am

you know macs and pcs network ok, right? add a dual xeon to those fruit-heads (sorry, i dont hate the mac platform, folks, but anyone that makes a facility strictly around one platform [that cant do openGL] these days is F'ed in the head to some degree, imho) and you'll be ready to render TGA/PNG/RPF to any drive on their network for compiling.

//gD

gary m. davis // visualz.com
application training specialist
3ds max | combustion
"don't key DV!"


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zolotrophRe: What's Up With combustion On Macs?
by on May 10, 2005 at 3:12:36 am

"anyone that makes a facility strictly around one platform [that cant do openGL] these days is F'ed in the head to some degree, imho"

ROTFL...

Right on, Gary! Couldn't have said it better myself. Maybe Apple will get serious about 3D one of these days... Until then, it's dual Xeons with a QuadroFX all the way. I have yet to see Opterons besting the latest Xeons in workstation apps like combustion, but there's always that possibility as well.

Now if Boxx could just get the price down to $3K for their fastest dual Xeon... :D

-zolo





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B.J. AhlenRe: What's Up With combustion On Macs?
by on May 10, 2005 at 4:08:39 pm

Here's a 3ds max render comparison at least:
http://techreport.com/reviews/2005q2/athlon64-x2/index.x?pg=8

Dual Opteron 275: 1min. 10 sec.
Dual Xeon 3.4GHz: 2 min. 7 sec.

The Opteron pulls ahead because it is Dual Core and 3ds max is properly multi-threaded as you can see from the utilization charts for each CPU core.

The Select pulldown box further down on this page also has other benchmarks.


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zolotrophRe: What's Up With combustion On Macs?
by on May 10, 2005 at 4:19:05 pm

Kind of an apples to oranges comparison. Let's see how the fastest dual core Opteron fares vs. the fastest dual core Xeon once they're available...

-zolo


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B.J. AhlenRe: What's Up With combustion On Macs?
by on May 10, 2005 at 4:35:35 pm

There will always be something faster next year or even next quarter...

In this case, AMD has a significant architectural advantage with HyperTransport which offers up to 24 GB/s throughput per processor, while Intel is maxed out at 6.4 GB/s currently, beacuse everything there has to go through the 800 MHz Front Side Bus.

Cache coherency is also handled much faster in the AMD architecture (this deals with one CPU requesting data that is being worked on by another CPU).

In the end I don't care who provides the fastest computers this month or next. This will always change.

I'm glad there is finally some progress in performance though, because for a long time it seemed like there was nothing much happening. I think it is really healthy for Intel to get some real competition on the high end also. This will give us lower prices and faster computers.



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Ron LindeboomRe: What's Up With combustion On Macs?
by on May 10, 2005 at 5:05:02 pm


[B.J. Ahlen] "The Opteron pulls ahead because it is Dual Core and 3ds max is properly multi-threaded as you can see from the utilization charts for each CPU core."


Just an aside for those who are not already aware of it but the Opteron


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Keith HillRe: What's Up With combustion On Macs?
by on May 12, 2005 at 6:36:04 pm

Phil,

Just FYI. I got an update from Autodesk about Combustion4 Mac. The quote reads:

"One of the reasons there is so much lag-time on C4 MAC is because they
are making sure that it will be compliant with all the latest hardware
that is being made available.

Last time around it was released to early and therefore we want to be
certain that when C4 MAC gets released customers get no surprises. I
understand that it's a long delay but it will be worth it.

As mentioned below, if you purchase C3 MAC now, you will receive C4 for
free as soon as it begins to ship and also I will add a set of
Combustion training DVD's for free/ these are a value of $300. These
DVD's are limited though."

This was from their Sales on the Direct side.


Keith Hill
http://www.LightedPath.biz
Dallas, TX
FCP HD (v4.5), Combustion 3 (v3.0.4), DVD StudioPro3 (v 3.0.2) all on a MAC G5 (v10.4-Tiger) 2Ghz PowerPC 1.5 RAM


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