HD Monitoring

	Re: HD Monitoring by Bob Zelin on Jun 11, 2009 at 9:22:44 pm simple answer. Your dealer wants you to spend $8000. Is the CineTal a great monitor. You bet your ass it is. Do you want to spend $8000 - ABSOLUTELY NOT. You can use that extra $3000 - $4000 for other illicit purposes. Look at the JVC DTV24L3DY, or DU - and the Panasonic BT-LH2550. I just saw the BT-LH25500 yesterday, side by side with the "old" BT-LH2600, and I was shocked at the problem it had with "off axis" viewing, but if you look at it straight on, it's very nice. But the JVC is better for under $4000. Is the CineTal that your dealer is pushing better ? Yes. It is. Would I spend $8000 for a TV monitor - absolutely not. Also look at the crappy Panasonic TH42PH11UK for $849. It's really fantastic if you are willing to deal with a plasma. In my opinion, (and what the hell do I know), the Cinetal is much better than the eCinema or TV Logic, but I dont' care how good it is - I will not spend $8000 for a TV monitor (unless it "cant say it on Creative Cow"). And even then - it's not worth the extra $4000 unless it does it every day for the next 3 years. Bob Zelin Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: HD Monitoring by gary adcock on Jun 12, 2009 at 1:38:57 pm [Bob Zelin] "simple answer. Your dealer wants you to spend $8000. Is the CineTal a great monitor. You bet your ass it is. Do you want to spend $8000 - ABSOLUTELY NO" Sorry bob, Dead wrong on this one for a highend workflow. "JVC DTV24L3DY, or DU - and the Panasonic BT-LH2550. " While good for many uses, I will say that the tools built into the Cinetal Cinemage display take that display to the next level beyond the mainstream. Having LUT building and support, active / dynamic control of the display for calibration via ethernet, Still store, Quad inputs (Dual Stereo or Dual Dual Link monitoring also) and a full OmniTek waveform and vectorscope built in will actually cost less that upgrade the 2550 pr JVC display by the time you end up adding digital scopes and the LUT creation add-on package. Currently if you are finishing anything in DCI the Cinetal Cinemage supports DCI's XYZ colorspace which is not available on either of the other displays, nor are the color profiles modifiable like they are on the Cinemage. gary adcock Studio37 HD & Film Consultation Post and Production Workflows Check out http://www.aja.com/kiprotour/ Inside look at the IoHD http://library.creativecow.net/articles/adcock_gary/AJAIOHD.php Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: HD Monitoring by Bob Zelin on Jun 12, 2009 at 9:37:53 pm I have only a couple of things to say to Gary - 1) I just saw the final color correction for the new Bravo Show "Miami Social" done by JJ Johnson at Pink Sneakers. All he used was a Panasonic BT-LH1700W, and a Leader LV7700. Wait to you see what an amazing job he did with a "mid level" monitor never designed for color grading. 2) If I don't get my Blackmagic Ultrascope soon, I will slit my wrists. Yes, Omni Tek is great, and just remember, I drewl over the CineTal, but "there is more than one way to skin a cat" (I hate that expression, but it worked for this example). Bob Zelin Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: HD Monitoring by Del Holford on Jun 15, 2009 at 11:24:34 pm Bob or Gary Have you looked at the HP/Dreamcolor 24" monitor? How does that compare with the ones you mentioned. I've seen one side by side with Apple's 30" cinema monitor and the colors, especially reds, are vivid and noticably cleaner and truer. It's purported to be 10 bit red, 10 bit green and 10 bit blue for a 30 bit monitor. What say you? Del smoke, photoshopCS3, FC Studio2 Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: HD Monitoring by Bob Zelin on Jun 16, 2009 at 9:42:37 pm Hi Del - I looked at the HP Dreamcolor monitor at the NAB show. It's a great price at under $2000. But there is a catch. The HP Dreamcolor only has a HDMI input and DVI input - no SDI or HD-SDI. So, how do you get an HD signal into it? At the NAB show, HP had the Gefen HD-SDI to DVI converter on this monitor. It was attached to an AVID Nitris DX system HD-SDI output. I have read on the AVID-L2 lists that others have tried the AJA HDP, and Blackmagic HDLink (HD-SDI to DVI converters), and there have been scaling issues with this. HP's response says USE THE GEFEN CONVERTER. So this is an extra added expense to this $2000 monitor to make it work properly. But it looked very nice to me. How nice- not nicer than the Panasonic or JVC HD monitors, and NO, not nicer than the CineTal monitor. this is the gefen converter - http://www.gefen.com/kvm/dproduct.jsp?prod_id=4211 Bob Zelin Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: HD Monitoring by gary adcock on Jun 16, 2009 at 11:03:55 pm [Bob Zelin] "The HP Dreamcolor only has a HDMI input and DVI input - no SDI or HD-SDI. So, how do you get an HD signal into it? " bob the HDP2 has the ability to handle the single under the I.3a spec as does the updated Hi53g DVI is only 8bit – why waste the monitor on a lesser signal. gary adcock Studio37 HD & Film Consultation Post and Production Workflows Check out http://www.aja.com/kiprotour/ Inside look at the IoHD http://library.creativecow.net/articles/adcock_gary/AJAIOHD.php Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: HD Monitoring by Bob Zelin on Jun 17, 2009 at 1:30:12 am sorry - the Gefen converts HD-SDI to HDMI 1.3. That is what I meant, not DVI. Anyway, by the time you get done, you might as well have bought the JVC or Panasonic. Bob Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: HD Monitoring by gary adcock on Jun 17, 2009 at 2:19:01 am [Bob Zelin] "That is what I meant, not DVI. Anyway, by the time you get done, you might as well have bought the JVC or Panasonic. " very true the other displays only really make a difference when handling dual link or beyond. for single link 4:2:2 HDSDI the Panny and Jvc displays are certainly more than sufficient. gary adcock Studio37 HD & Film Consultation Post and Production Workflows Check out http://www.aja.com/kiprotour/ Inside look at the IoHD http://library.creativecow.net/articles/adcock_gary/AJAIOHD.php Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: HD Monitoring by Ken Jones on Jun 16, 2009 at 5:22:19 pm I have been using the JVC DT-V24L3D for several months now and have been very happy with it. Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: HD Monitoring by Bob Zelin on Jun 16, 2009 at 9:46:44 pm in the US, this model # is currently the JVC DTV24L3DY. This is "this weeks" model. It is $3995 street price. This is my current # 1 choice for hi end monitor, that is under $8000. And Ken, stick that tongue back in your mouth. Bob Zelin Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: HD Monitoring by Tim Kolb on Jun 23, 2009 at 8:26:59 pm Just a few points to add on the DreamColor... The AJA LHi has an HDMI in/out, so that's handy... The monitor is switchable to various color gamuts...Rec 709 being one of them. The monitor also has a DisplayPort connector. Many of the newer high-end display cards have DisplayPort outputs and can feed the monitor actual 30 bit imagery. I've seen the JVCs and I definitely like them. Flanders Scientific has gotten high marks from several around the Cow...I just thought the DreamColor that I saw seemed like the most visually obvious step forward I've seen in LCD technology for some time. CineTal and eCinema climb into another price range, as Bob has alluded to, and I think that it will be some time before that technology is affordable below the higher level commercial and feature shoots. I'm hoping to put my hands directly on a DreamColor one day soon to see how it really works in practice. TimK, Director, Consultant Kolb Productions, Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: HD Monitoring by Eric Hansen on Jul 9, 2009 at 2:21:45 am Bob said: "Also look at the crappy Panasonic TH42PH11UK for $849. It's really fantastic if you are willing to deal with a plasma. " i've never worked in a facility with a good plasma, so i've never had the chance to compare a good plasma to a typical color correction monitor. i currently color correct using the Sony Multiformat 20L, Apple Cinema Display and Dell 2408 monitors. what is the disadvantage to using a plasma? is it not as accurate? i've read that the blacks are usually deeper compared to an LCD. thanks e Eric Hansen, The Audio Visual Plumber - www.avplumber.com Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index