Interest in HD disc recorder?

	Interest in HD disc recorder? by Todd at Fantastic Plastic on Aug 15, 2007 at 3:02:17 am Hi gang: A friend is developing a portable disc-based HD recorder. With it you could, for example, record a real HD signal via the HD-SDI output of an HDV camera. He is looking for input from potential users while they are still in the engineering phase. If you would like to learn more details about this or leave us some feedback, please read my post over in the HDV forum by clicking here (will open in a new window). Thanks gang! T2 __________________________________ Todd Terry Creative Director Fantastic Plastic Entertainment, Inc. fantasticplastic.com Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: Interest in HD disc recorder? by Bob Zelin on Aug 15, 2007 at 7:57:41 pm Todd - products like this already exist. The most well known is the Focus Enhancements Firestore, which will record the HDV signal via firewire, or a DVCProHD signal from the Panasonic HVX200 via firewire. For higher end products, Ikegami has a new Editcam product, that works with their cameras, and will play out DNxHD into AVID systems, with 2 USB cables. For higher end products, the RAVE HD from SpectSoft (Ramona Howard is active on this forum) already exists. The Keisoku disk recorder is the one endorced by RED Camera. It's the model UDS-R20. The Doremi V1 HD/LE is another HD disk recorder for HD-SDI. There are others as well. Instead of asking silly questions like "what do you guys want", how about building a box with a play, and record button on it, and an HD-SDI input, and say "who want to try this cool new HD-SDI recorder". If you have the interface, you can make deals with plenty of drive enclosure companies that will supply you with a box, power supply and 2 SATA drives to accomplish what you want. Bob Zelin Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: Interest in HD disc recorder? by Mads Nybo Jorgensen on Aug 15, 2007 at 8:16:12 pm Hey Bob. [Bob Zelin] "how about building a box with a play, and record button on it, and an HD-SDI input," With all due respect I think you're wrong ;-) There is much, much more money to be made by the person who can come up with an elastic band that holds the fire wire cable and camera together - somehow that seems to be the biggest complaint about using camera disc recorders... All the Best Mads London, UK Mac Million Ltd. - HD Production & Editing Blog: http://blog.myspace.com/bigflopproductions Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: Interest in HD disc recorder? by Bob Zelin on Aug 15, 2007 at 10:15:44 pm of course, you are correct Mads ! The REAL money is simply figuring out how all these HDV filmmakers can convince the stations to simply air their raw video, without the inconvenience of professional standards and equipment. Maybe they can develop a "brainwash" product, called "it's good enough". Bob Zelin Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: Interest in HD disc recorder? by Todd at Fantastic Plastic on Aug 16, 2007 at 2:48:52 am Bob... Never said this was a new never-before-seen idea. These guys are just trying to build a different (perhaps better, definitely more affordable) mousetrap. Sorry to have taken up your time with my silly questions. I for one am thrilled when product developers take the time to ask me, as a customer, what I would like to see in a product... but hey, that's just me. If anyone else has anything constructive to add... please feel free... but please do it over on the thread on the HDV forum as requested (that's the one the guys are checking). T2 __________________________________ Todd Terry Creative Director Fantastic Plastic Entertainment, Inc. fantasticplastic.com Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: Interest in HD disc recorder? by Mads Nybo Jorgensen on Aug 16, 2007 at 8:05:30 am Hey Todd. Actually, I was very serious about the connector between the camera and the drive. Every operator that I've spoken with states that as being their single biggest problem when on location. Also, I wouldn't have thought that there is that many HDV cameras with HD-SDI out in the market? All the Best Mads London, UK Mac Million Ltd. - HD Production & Editing Blog: http://blog.myspace.com/bigflopproductions Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: Interest in HD disc /STOP !!!!! by Bob Zelin on Aug 20, 2007 at 1:51:10 am Todd - tell your buddies to FORGETABOUTIT. I just saw the prototype of THIS EXACT PRODUCT that your buddies are considering building. It's an HD-SDI input for HDV camcorders that uses cheap flash disks to record HD signals in the field, and this product is CHEAP. If you value their friendship, tell them to go do something else for a living, because this product ALREADY EXISTS in prototype. It's one of the companies that has a forum on Creative Cow. Bob Zelin Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: Interest in HD disc /STOP !!!!! by Todd at Fantastic Plastic on Aug 20, 2007 at 6:14:04 pm Hi Bob.... Thanks for the input... ...but... [Bob Zelin] "tell your buddies to FORGETABOUTIT." ...I'd never purport to tell anyone else what to do. I will pass along the info, though... [Bob Zelin] "I just saw the prototype of THIS EXACT PRODUCT" I would think the market would support more than one of these gadgets. I know there is also one similar coming from Convergent-Design (although it operates differently). Not having any more than a cursory interest in it, I haven't done any potential market research (or intend to). I would think the market could handle it, but I could be wrong. True... I always think there is little point in re-inventing the wheel... unless of course one also intends to sell their own slightly differently-featured wheels. :) [Bob Zelin] "uses cheap flash disks to record HD signals in the field, and this product is CHEAP" The big problem I have seen there is the flash recorders seem to have such painfully short storage times. Like the one coming from Convergent-Design seems pretty cool indeed, and has great features... except I think that the user would be swapping flash cards about as fast as one's arm could fly in its least-compressed mode. Hopefully I'm wrong. [Bob Zelin] "If you value their friendship... Ha... not to be mean, but I don't really... these are just folks I know via cyberspace, and have known for a while (fellow members of another cinematographic organization). But if either of us fell off the face of the earth, I doubt the other would really notice. [Bob Zelin] "tell them to go do something else for a living" They already do... one is a cinematographer, the other is a hardware/software designer and engineer. They started doing this to fill their own need, not to make a living from it. I'm a little puzzled at why I've gotten more than a couple of "tell them not to bother, someone else is already doing this" messages (unless they are from investors in the other company...ha). I can't really seem to figure out why anyone cares that there might be another similar product. I've certainly never written JVC and told them "Don't bother producing any more cameras. Canon and Sony are making plenty of them." If I look at every gadget gizmo and doohickey that I own, VERY few of them are "one of a kind"... in almost every case I could have chosen a similar product from a different manufacturer. I've always thought competetion was a good thing (well, except in the case of making the phone company so darn complicated), and that it just leads to better/faster/cheaper products. But hey, that's just me. I don't have a dog in this fight... my only interest in it was just as a potential end-use customer. I was just trying to be a nice guy and pass along their request. I'm pretty much uninvolved at this point. I'm a director and cinematographer by trade...not a computer/electronic guy by any stretch (just ask Tim Kolb). So I'm out of my element, just being a conduit here. I think I'll go back to shooting. PICTURE'S UP!!! VERY QUIET FOR PICTURE, PLEASE!!! Thanks to all for the feedback! T2 __________________________________ Todd Terry Creative Director Fantastic Plastic Entertainment, Inc. fantasticplastic.com Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index