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24PA Capture Problems in FCP

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gary2yuk24PA Capture Problems in FCP
by on Oct 4, 2006 at 6:46:48 pm

Hi

I shot in 24PA and am capturing "advanced pulldown".

When I bring these into Final Cut, my 23.97 timeline requires the footage to be rendered. Shouldn't it already be 24fps and need no rendering? It plays without rendering in a 29.98 timeline.

I checked the quicktime files and it is indeed 24fps..

why doesnt FCP recognize this? Any wisdom?





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Noah KadnerRe: 24PA Capture Problems in FCP
by on Oct 4, 2006 at 6:55:08 pm

How did you capture?

-Noah


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gary2yukRe: 24PA Capture Problems in FCP
by on Oct 4, 2006 at 7:05:08 pm

Captured with FCP's "Advanced Pulldown" option.



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Noah KadnerRe: 24PA Capture Problems in FCP
by on Oct 4, 2006 at 7:22:26 pm

But more specifically- using the Easy Setup- 29.97 with Advanced Pulldown removal? Any time there is rendering required that indicates a mismatch between your clip settings and your sequence settings. And if they are playing on a 29.97 timeline without rendering they are 29.97.

Noah


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gary2yukRe: 24PA Capture Problems in FCP
by on Oct 4, 2006 at 7:54:15 pm

Yes, the easy preset 29.97 Advanced Pulldown is what I used.

It plays without rendering in the 29.97 timeline, yet when I check the info on the clip in Quicktime, it says it's 24fps. When I try to use FCP's "Remove Advanced Pulldown" option, it gives me an error.

So this is why I dont understand, Quicktime says its 24 whereas FCP, even though I captured using the correct setting, will not put it into the 24 timeline without having to render it.



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Noah KadnerRe: 24PA Capture Problems in FCP
by on Oct 4, 2006 at 10:57:41 pm

Sounds like it was likely shot in 24p rather than 24p advanced. You can check by playing out to firewire- go frame by frame. If every fifth frame is interlaced, it's 24pA. If every 3 frames, 2 frames are interlaced- it's 24p.

Noah


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gary2yukRe: 24PA Capture Problems in FCP
by on Oct 4, 2006 at 11:17:31 pm

i checked that.

when playing the footage in camera, if you toggle the counter button, it tells you 60I, 24P, 24PA...this was 24PA



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Noah KadnerRe: 24PA Capture Problems in FCP
by on Oct 4, 2006 at 11:28:21 pm

Well then perhaps you captured in too large a chunk. For example if there are time code breaks on a tape and you capture in big chunks rather than take by take it will sometimes not work with automatic pulldown removal. Bottom line- 24p clips do not play without rendering in a 29.97 timeline.

Noah


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gary2yukRe: 24PA Capture Problems in FCP
by on Oct 4, 2006 at 11:32:43 pm

hmm, then shouldn't the "removed advanced pulldown" option in FCP work?

also, how does this make sense with quicktime displaying the properties as 24 fps.. ? If it was 24P, then it would show 29.97fps.

thanks for your help..



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Noah KadnerRe: 24PA Capture Problems in FCP
by on Oct 5, 2006 at 12:11:42 am

No the remove AP will not work across broken timecode. I suggest a recapture in smaller clips.

Noah


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yardbirdbkRe: 24PA Capture Problems in FCP
by on Oct 5, 2006 at 10:05:35 pm

You might also want to try the "Conform" button in cinema tools.... this has helped fix similar bad mojo.



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