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Re: Final Cut Pro 7 XML to After Effects CS6
by Marla Singer in the Adobe After Effects Forum
Hi Stephen, I've done it a few times, and it's not that tricky. Just export the xml as you usually do on FCP, and then on AE6 go to: File-Import-Pro Import After Effects That command pops up a window to allow you to choose certain settings, but the default ones...

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Re: Where do I start?
by Jim Scott in the Adobe After Effects Forum
It's unfortunate that your college did not ensure that you developed a demo reel, and that you didn't collect samples of your projects in school and elsewhere. At this point you have a piece of paper supposedly certifying your competence but no evidence of it. You need to look for...

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Image quality loss (banding) in any video compression-full quality PhotoJPG, Prores, NTSC (After Effects preview and Image Sequence fine)
by Rosa Gaia in the Adobe After Effects Forum
I made an SD video in After Effects that simulated fog/ smoke using fractal noise. The preview in AE looks great, and I exported it lossless and full quality. But I've tried basically every compression type at the highest quality/ largest data rate and it looks very low quality no...

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Re: Audio Clips Don't Move In Tandem With Video Clip!
by Josh Meltzer in the Adobe Premiere Pro Forum
I've been struggling with this all day and fortunately received this how-to from a friend at MediaStorm production company.... So what you need to do is grab the video clip, move it to where you want it, then with the left mouse button still depressed, press and hold the shift...

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Re: Creating Less Cinematic Footage
by andy lewis in the Adobe Premiere Pro Forum
Shoot interlaced Don't use lighting In post, apply the opposite of an s-curve Sharpen Delete all of the footage with Kevin Spacey in it...

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Re: Trendy effect in TV commercials and movie trailers
by Shane Ross in the Adobe Premiere Pro Forum
Make REALLY BIG letters out of styrofoam and hang them from wires. PRACTICAL EFFECTS, YO! Shane Little Frog Post Read my blog, Little Frog in High Def...

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Blog: What’s missing from today’s tech based editing
by ron sussman in the COW - Blogs Forum
(this is a re-publish of a blog article I wrote for my personal web page) When I was starting out in post there was a clearly defined road one took to becoming an editor. These were the last few years of cutting film on a 35mm flatbed and my experience...

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Blog: 10.1.2 Killed the Sparse Disk Star
by John Davidson in the COW - Blogs Forum
Hey gang, just wanted to give you a little update on what we're uncovering right now. The new update to FCPX 10.1.2 brought the ability to export xml of entire events. This is huge. The primary reason we have stuck with sparse disks in our office environment was so that...

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Article: The Toaster and Tim's Vermeer
by Tim Wilson in the COW - Tutorials Forum
TV & Movie Appreciation The Toaster and Tim's Vermeer The inventor of the NewTek Video Toaster was certain that he figured out the secret behind the uncanny realism of one of the world's greatest painters, and certain he could use the same methods to duplicate it. Really? Yes, really. Join...

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Re: Article: Adobe Creative Cloud Adds Speed and Ease for Video Producers
by Stan Jones in the COW - Tutorials Forum
lol. You've got some nerve posting that link on the Encore forum! Stan Jones...

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Tutorial: LightGrid Script and Demo Tutorial
by Brian Charles in the COW - Tutorials Forum
Adobe After Effects LightGrid Script and Demo Tutorial LightGrid Script creator Brian Charles demonstrates his After Effects script for rigging lights in grids and circles. The script is available as a free download in the Project Files folder. Tutorial, Video Tutorial 05/29/2014 Author: Brian Charles...

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Article: Cooking With Premiere Pro CC on PBS's America's Test Kitchen
by Herb Sevush in the COW - Tutorials Forum
Adobe Premiere Pro Cooking With Premiere Pro CC on PBS's America's Test Kitchen As America's Test Kitchen enters its 15th season on PBS, they've made the switch to Premiere Pro Creative Cloud. Post-production Supervisor and director Herb Sevush has been with the show from the beginning, and confessed some trepidation...

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Video: Thomas Horne - Reel 2009
by Thomas Horne in the COW - Videos Forum
Thomas Horne - Reel 2009 Contains my work as an animator, compositor, and director. Work done in the years 2004-2009, with an emphasis on recent work. Look underneath the video for my role in each shot. Contact me at: thorne06@mac.com watch demo reel...

5 years ago   read more
Video: Another 3D Spot shot for MNET (South Africa) using the Canon 5D and Reflex Motion Control rig
by Peter Constan-Tatos in the COW - Videos Forum
Another 3D Spot shot for MNET (South Africa) using the Canon 5D and Reflex Motion Control rig This is the other spot. A South African team applies the robotic motion-control expertise it has gained in live-action production to stop-motion shooting of stereographic motion plates on a 14:1 miniature set on...

4 years ago   read more
Video: In Motion
by Robert Millin in the COW - Videos Forum
In Motion My first shot for my show reel. hope you enjoy it...any comments welcome, cheers. watch demo reel...

4 years ago   read more
Video: Dashing Ships FedEx Spot with Great VFX
by Creative COW in the COW - Videos Forum
Dashing Ships FedEx Spot with Great VFX Dashing recently showcased their diversity and nimble nature in a spot for FedEx, shot by Director Tim Godsall out of BBDO Toronto. Dashing Ships FedEx Spot with Great VFX Dashing recently showcased their diversity and nimble nature in a spot for FedEx, shot...

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Video: Ten Tips to Indie Filmmaking: Rick Casteñeda
by Creative COW in the COW - Videos Forum
Ten Tips to Indie Filmmaking: Rick Casteñeda Cement Suitcase - Post Services by Psychic Bunny watch video...

7 months ago   read more
Video: My Showreel
by SIMABILASH TOMMIN in the COW - Videos Forum
My Showreel vizrt,Cinema 4d,3d max,After Effects watch video...

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Video: Blackbirdfx Showreel
by Ralf Karam in the COW - Videos Forum
Blackbirdfx Showreel Blackbirdfx is a post-production company based in the middle east watch demo reel...

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Video: Rotoscoping demo reel
by vallapureddy rajinikanthreddy in the COW - Videos Forum
Rotoscoping demo reel watch demo reel...

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Video: Color Grading Reel - Benoit Cote - 2014
by Benoit Cote in the COW - Videos Forum
Color Grading Reel - Benoit Cote - 2014 2014 color grading reel. Edit by Emeline Declerck Music by Jack White - High Ball Stepper cote-b.com watch demo reel...

4 months ago   read more
Re: Throwing down the carrot
by Dave LaRonde in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Gary Huff] "You have no way of knowing that one way or the other." ....and YOU evaded my question. Personally, I'm of the opinion that when subscriptions reach a certain benchmark set by Adobe and known only to them, the cost of those subscriptions will skyrocket. Dave LaRonde Promotion Producer...

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Re: CC updates
by David Smith in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
The discontinuing of perpetual licenses was just too high a price. These updates will never even reach the sizable portion of Adobe's customers they abandoned with the switch to forced subscription. Frankly, I would never infect my project files with new features that could only be opened or utilized by...

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Re: Throwing down the carrot
by David Smith in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
When Adobe still had an exit strategy, it was much easier to drop their software and move to something else. Any files you had created, you could still open and use if you needed to while now using the new software you switched to. With subscription as the only option,...

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Re: Throwing down the carrot
by Dino Sanacory in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
Why do you think we wouldn't see any price hikes at all? You must expect that at some point the price will go up some amount? David's point is one that I agree with, once Adobe has a certain volume of uses under CC, they are then in control of...

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Re: CC updates
by Franz Bieberkopf in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[walter biscardi] "Creative Cloud is now earning more money for Adobe than perpetual licenses did ..." Walter, This is wildly incorrect. CC has a long way to go before it's generated "more money than perpetual licenses", which were generating considerably higher revenue in past. The revenue reports for the past...

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Re: CC updates
by David Smith in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[walter biscardi] "The people who work at Adobe on all the products DO care. I know many of them personally. To say "they used to seem to care" is an insult to all of the rank and file." It's an insult to them? That's laughable. Switching to subscription-only was an...

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Re: CC updates
by David Smith in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[walter biscardi] "But seriously, it's been over a year. If everyone on this page "sure as hell are never adopting the subscription model" move on." Like I said, it's possible to move on to different software, and still protest Adobe at the same time. I don't understand what problem you...

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Re: CC updates
by David Smith in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Andrew Kimery] "For many movies and TV shows it still is. On a lot of the show's I've worked on office space and gear is rented, everyone is freelance and after a few months of hard work we all scatter to the winds and, aside from the finished product, it's...

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Re: CC updates
by Franz Bieberkopf in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Walter Soyka] "I don't grasp the dilemma." I am trying to underscore the absurdity of this (recurring) argument: that SOX has a negative effect on revenue, and therefore rental is the only option for software makers. In other words, even if we limit ourselves to these two options: - continued...

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Forbes article vs Economist RE Adobe
by Chris Pettit in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
Choice tidbits from analysis on Forbes.com about Adobe and its profit/stock price equation. (This is in marked contrast to a previous Economist piece that was the usual glowing and yet factually messy analysis): …While it’s heartening to see Wall Street for once not totally obsessed by the short-term, one can...

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Re: Forbes article vs Economist RE Adobe
by David Mathis in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
One company that has things right is Red Giant, without question. With the Universe you have the option of paying a monthly or annual fee, which is reasonable in addition to a lifetime membership. I also like the direction Rampant Design Tools is going as well. The price is reasonable,...

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Re: The New Adobe
by David Lawrence in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
Wow, is that tweet for real? Not exactly the kind of talk I'd expect from a company that feels good about their product offerings. I actually feel sad for Al Mooney. Of all the development leads at Adobe, he and his team have by far delivered the most innovation and...

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Re: The New Adobe
by David Lawrence in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Justin Crowell] "Sort of seems a lot more likely to me that this is an issue of Al being pestered by questions about the business model when he's trying to explain the pretty awesome new features that the Premiere engineers are building. " I'd put down money that this is...

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Re: The New Adobe
by Chris Pettit in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Justin Crowell] "an issue of Al being pestered by questions about the business model when he's trying to explain the pretty awesome new features that the Premiere engineers are building" Happy customers don't "pester" the purveyors of their favorite tools without provocation Justin. New features don't mean anything if the...

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Re: Very OT: Funny commercial
by Aindreas Gallagher in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
I am now going to write a diatribe about rentier capitalism, the use of balloons by marie antoinette and the french royalty, and the equivalence of public storage to permanent software licenses. should take me about an hour to pull it together. two tics. http://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics...

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Adobe booed at the NAB supermeet
by Aindreas Gallagher in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
might explain why some of the adobe reps were a bit rattled. https://twitter.com/oddernod/status/453734513193918464 to be fair, I don't think I'd go booing someone giving a presentation - that seems a bit low, but it sounds like quite a few people were. there's stuff out there that reps were taking it...

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Re: Adobe booed at the NAB supermeet
by Aindreas Gallagher in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Walter Soyka] "he point about multiple development branches was about releasing, say, Pr 7.0, then releasing 7.1a with bug fixes plus new features for subscribers, and also releasing 7.1b with bug fixes but without new features for non-subscribers." [Walter Soyka] "If you're going to charge for new features (whether on...

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Re: Adobe booed at the NAB supermeet
by David Lawrence in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Walter Soyka] "I don't know. But if they are doing new features but not maintaining multiple branches, then they cannot offer bug-fixes only." The solution is simple - charge a maintenance fee that covers both bug fixes and new features. Stop paying the maintenance fee and keep the software with...

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Re: Adobe booed at the NAB supermeet
by Rainer Schubert in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
...and you are not left in the rain, when jumping of the train. Can use your own files....

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Re: Adobe booed at the NAB supermeet
by David Lawrence in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Aindreas Gallagher] "There are multiple ways for adobe to get this done that cause them no harm and end a situation where they are cumulatively poisoning the well with their customers. None of this shows signs of going away. Adobe are doing real long term damage to their brand and...

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Re: Adobe booed at the NAB supermeet
by Aindreas Gallagher in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Walter Soyka] "[Aindreas Gallagher] "Adobe just lied through their teeth that any form of retained perpetual licensing was an impossibility that would require bifurcation. They were lying. It's really easy to do, avid have just done it." Ok... citation for this lie, please? " give me a break for the...

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Re: Adobe booed at the NAB supermeet
by Aindreas Gallagher in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
I'd personally only say he's patently a good guy, any idiot could see it, and he did just wave a miraculous gandalf wand over premiere. the boos - and if true on the other forum, the walk outs during the presentation, you could argue are more directed at the corporate...

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Re: Adobe booed at the NAB supermeet
by Aindreas Gallagher in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
they set out to construct a lie richard. a big deliberate company wide lie about motivation and intent. A lot of the problem here is that all of their representatives are stuck with the lie. adobe were very comfortable constructing it, and they seem bloody minded about holding on to...

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Re: Adobe booed at the NAB supermeet
by Chris Pettit in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[David Lawrence] "Again, here's a reminder of the kind management we're talking about:" Why is it that every time I see that video I'm just as disgusted and appalled as the first time I saw it? As you said David, all due sympathy for the front line people at Adobe...

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Re: Adobe booed at the NAB supermeet
by David Lawrence in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Chris Pettit] "Classic Frankenstein tale here. We helped create this monster with our dollars, our loyalty, our devotion to the tools, the ecosystem and formats and our advocacy. When I think of my own evangelism for that same ecosystem over the last few years I could kick myself for trusting...

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Re: Adobe booed at the NAB supermeet
by Rainer Schubert in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
You can´t open many Adobe-Files with full support of all functions with Non-Adobe Appications. You can´t open a premiere CC file with any other software than Premiere CC (Even CS6 can´t). You have to convert your project (but it´s not possible to keep all functionalities by doing so). No Application,...

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Re: Adobe booed at the NAB supermeet
by Richard Herd in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Aindreas Gallagher] "a big deliberate company wide lie about motivation and intent" No shit sherlock. ;) I guess you're experiencing something like Nicholas Urfe's disintoxication. Corporations, all of them, and more-so as their stock prices rise, orchestrate a series of masquerades. It goes all the way to Avid's crazy accounting...

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Re: Adobe booed at the NAB supermeet
by Aindreas Gallagher in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Richard Herd] "I guess you're experiencing something like Nicholas Urfe's disintoxication." I am bloody not! well maybe . the point is there is a dissonance. they claim a great listening relationship and yet it was a ludicrously violent move. And they were less than honest about the reasons for the...

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Re: Adobe booed at the NAB supermeet
by Aindreas Gallagher in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
fair enough, I think I may myself personally have overdone - ***lying liars lying about lying*** about four times over. but I'd only say that there maybe has to be some kind of valid discussion around the statements made by adobe when they announced the termination of all licenses and...

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Re: Adobe booed at the NAB supermeet
by Tim Wilson in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[David Lawrence] "This thread has generated a lot of heat for a reason. " On that, there's no debate from me. [David Lawrence] "In one fell swoop, Avid demolished many technical and legal rationalizations for Adobe's highly controversial move to subscription-only licensing. Avid shows one way it's trivially simple for...

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Re: Adobe booed at the NAB supermeet
by Franz Bieberkopf in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Jeremy Garchow] "I explained, if Adobe follows Avid's Maintenace model ..." Jeremy, Your particular arbitrary choices in the given example aside, I am confident that the teams in management at Adobe will be able to come up with something to address the issue. ... if they put their minds to...

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Re: Adobe Ceasing Sales of CS6
by Todd Kopriva in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
Yes, be careful of the (common) misunderstanding. What is being discontinued is the sale of CS6 licenses through certain kinds of license agreements, including those sold through resellers. Adobe is still selling CS6 software licenses and making the software available through electronic download from the Adobe website. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Todd Kopriva,...

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Re: Adobe booed at the NAB supermeet
by Tim Kolb in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Aindreas Gallagher] "I thought avid's model was interesting in that they are introducing subscription and retaining license - for the license holders, there is a 299 service and update charge which allows them to bypass sarbannes oxeley for both groups." Well...Avid is involved in some reporting issues currently...the primary cause...

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Re: Adobe, Avid, Sarbanes-Oxley, can they / can't they, Subscription-palooza (cont'd from below)
by David Lawrence in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
Thanks Tim for rebooting this thread! [Walter Soyka] "I would say that SOX is an important part of understanding the subscription plan, but I would also agree with you that SOX does not require a subscription-only sales model." Agreed! [Walter Soyka] "Avid's move hasn't changed anything. SOX never forced the...

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Re: Adobe, Avid, Sarbanes-Oxley, can they / can't they, Subscription-palooza (cont'd from below)
by Chris Pettit in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
"[Walter Soyka] "Contrary to the way we discuss it here in this debate forum, I don't think Creative Cloud is supposed to be a new way to sell Creative Suite. It looks like that today, but these are still early days. It will take time to get a compelling service...

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Re: Adobe, Avid, Sarbanes-Oxley, can they / can't they, Subscription-palooza (cont'd from below)
by Franz Bieberkopf in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Lance Moody] "Wouldn't one still be able to buy a month at a time to work on the old projects." Lance, Theoretically, this is a possibility. Practically - as anyone who has used software and hardware for extended periods will tell you - versioning and compatibility can be a problem....

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Re: Adobe, Avid, Sarbanes-Oxley, can they / can't they, Subscription-palooza (cont'd from below)
by Franz Bieberkopf in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Andrew Kimery] "Adobe has said that at least 5 major versions of the apps will be available for via CC. Right now PP 6 and PP 7 are available via CC and PP 6 should stick around until at least until PP 11 comes out." Andrew, Yes, this is positive,...

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Re: Adobe, Avid, Sarbanes-Oxley, can they / can't they, Subscription-palooza (cont'd from below)
by Jim Wiseman in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
I also think the amount of emotional involvement you have with your work has a lot to do with wanting to have the access to past projects under your personal control. If your work is primarily commercial with little repurposing, in the door and out the door, check please, and...

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Re: Adobe, Avid, Sarbanes-Oxley, can they / can't they, Subscription-palooza (cont'd from below)
by Andrew Kimery in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Jim Wiseman] "If your work is primarily commercial with little repurposing, in the door and out the door, check please, and thank you, you probably don't care about years down the line. However, the video artist, filmmaker, documentarian, etc. cares a great deal about future access." For what it's worth...

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Re: Adobe, Avid, Sarbanes-Oxley, can they / can't they, Subscription-palooza (cont'd from below)
by Jim Wiseman in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
On the contrary, Walter, I see the utility of a perpetual license as it continues into 2014,15,16,17, etc. That is kind of the point many of us have been making. The perpetual license as a foundation that will work in the future without constant required expenses. Upgrades on our own...

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Re: Adobe, Avid, Sarbanes-Oxley, can they / can't they, Subscription-palooza (cont'd from below)
by Chris Pettit in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Jim Wiseman] "But nothing past CS6 Production Suite for me from Adobe without permanent versions. Too bad, I would have probably kept upgrading as I have for many times annually in the past, both for myself and the entities for whom I consult. Don't see how this helps me, my...

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Re: Adobe, Avid, Sarbanes-Oxley, can they / can't they, Subscription-palooza (cont'd from below)
by David Lawrence in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Walter Soyka] "SOX is one reason why subscriptions make sense for developers. It's hard to talk about subscription-only without talking about subscription in general. But there's nothing about SOX that forces subscription-only." Exactly, which is why I hope the SOX argument can be put to rest when we discuss subscription-only....

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Re: Adobe, Avid, Sarbanes-Oxley, can they / can't they, Subscription-palooza (cont'd from below)
by David Lawrence in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Andrew Kimery] "I think competition creates a balance between customers and vendors. There are numerous examples of companies with little competition underperforming and overcharging in the eyes of their customers even though the software was sold with a perpetual license (or sometimes even given away for free in the case...

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Re: SoftImage and Industry consolidation: Cautionary tale.
by Tim Wilson in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
By the time Autodesk puts Softimage gently to sleep, they'll have had it 8 years. That's not exactly savagery. In fact, I think Autodesk did this exactly the way that people would draw up if they could create an ideal scenario: one more major release, and two years notice to...

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Re: Adobe, Avid, Sarbanes-Oxley, can they / can't they, Subscription-palooza (cont'd from below)
by Aindreas Gallagher in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
hi there Todd *Kopriva*, (edit - I'm a moron for spelling) Is Adobe, to your understanding, open to modifying the forced shift to perpetual subscription for standing license holders of your software. yours etc, http://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics...

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Re: SoftImage and Industry consolidation: Cautionary tale.
by Tim Wilson in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Chris Pettit] "From your experience that is a wrong assumption I assume? Do you feel they really gave a true effort but ultimately it was unsustainable? Sincere question." I assumed so. :-) I hope that my previous reply didn't come off as dismissive of YOU...although as you assume, I don't...

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Re: Adobe, Avid, Sarbanes-Oxley, can they / can't they, Subscription-palooza (cont'd from below)
by David Lawrence in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Jeremy Garchow] "You, personally, are fine without it, sure. But other photogs or designers? People that have been given video, that aren't really video people, but have to incorporate it in to design? This is where CC shines, and it's not about the egocentric video editors, it is about content...

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Re: SoftImage and Industry consolidation: Cautionary tale.
by Tim Wilson in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
Please note: this is written from my perspective of having formerly: owned a video production business; been involved with software development; and been involved with it at Avid in particular. This is strictly personal perspective.... [Aindreas Gallagher] "is there no logic to the idea that they might have left real...

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Re: Adobe and Wage Theft
by Peter Wiley in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
No "pass" was intended. Apple isn't the subject of this thread, but obviously its behavior was equally bad. My experience is that a party/group/company/corporation willing to use or tolerate bad behavior in one area is likely to use or tolerate it in another, feeling that if they can get away...

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Re: Adobe and Wage Theft
by Andrew Kimery in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Peter Wiley] "Anyone inclined to think that Adobe wouldn't abuse its market position hike CC subscription rates should consider its behavior in this area." Anyone inclined to think any company wouldn't abuse it's market position, if given the opportunity, should consider the behavior of the all of companies in this...

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Re: SoftImage and Industry consolidation: Cautionary tale.
by Jim Wiseman in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
All very nice, but I don't need or want all of CS for $2600. I bought Production Premium once for a lot less than $2600, and it cost me $350 a year to keep it up to date. My decision. Everyone predictably on the same software with occasional point releases...

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Re: Adobe and Wage Theft
by Andrew Kimery in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Dave LaRonde] "Well, this IS an Adobe forum. " And unfortunately that seemingly means insightful discussions should be avoid in lieu of ragging on Adobe at every opportunity. Since Adobe is involved it's a great excuse to bring up corporate behavior and share thoughts and opinions about what went down....

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Re: Adobe and Wage Theft
by Andrew Kimery in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Dave LaRonde] "Then you'd have to rush to Apple's defense, I suppose." Care to quote me where I'm defending the actions of any of the companies involved? At one point I specifically said I wish it would have gone to trial so as to increase the public exposure of what...

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Re: Adobe and Wage Theft
by Aindreas Gallagher in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
That's not true lance. bar anything else - there are genuine causes for concern with, say, to be hyperbolic, the moral centre of adobe going forward, given they have now forcibly removed all license ownership. adobe have been historically rapacious to locked local markets, particularly in australia, where they indulged...

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Re: SoftImage and Industry consolidation: Cautionary tale.
by Aindreas Gallagher in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
I more than anything think this gives the lie to the entire notion of the "master collection". Who ever bought it? [Tim Wilson] "Think about it this way. You'd have to subscribe for 4 years and 4 months to equal the price of today's CS. (2600 divided by 600/yr =...

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Re: Adobe and Wage Theft
by David Lawrence in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Aindreas Gallagher] "If we ignore corporate history we are all doomed to repeat Australia. To paraphrase things." This. ^ _______________________ David Lawrence art~media~design~research propaganda.com publicmattersgroup.com http://lnkd.in/Cfz92F facebook.com/dlawrence twitter.com/dhl vimeo.com/dlawrence/albums...

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Re: SoftImage and Industry consolidation: Cautionary tale.
by Franz Bieberkopf in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Tim Wilson] "What are the odds that people stick around ANY software for four years anymore? Pretty slim these days, and getting slimmer." Tim, Have you heard of Final Cut Pro? There's a discontinued version from 2009 that's still widely used. People seem to like it even though there hasn't...

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Re: Adobe and Wage Theft
by Chris Pettit in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Lance Bachelder] "We all have a choice - Adobe is not the only game in tow" Same argument, different day. Lots of people pronouncing edicts in regards to other peoples business's workflow that they don't actually even understand. Whatever your thoughts in regard to Adobe mandatory CC: Doesn't make you...

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Re: Adobe and Wage Theft
by Chris Pettit in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Lance Bachelder] "By the way Chris, I actually am an expert - kinda why I've been asked back for multiple NAB's to work for one of the most respected companies in our industry. I've built post facilities for studio feature films and Emmy-winning TV shows and then got in the...

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Re: Adobe and Wage Theft
by Aindreas Gallagher in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
there's no essential harm invisibly kicking their sixty foot shins here though - right Lance? you'd think they could have gone about the entire thing differently. they were never meant to be the 5,000 dollar license company. It's hard to think John Warnock had any of this in mind. They...

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Re: Adobe and Wage Theft
by Lance Bachelder in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
You started the personal nastiness with me - I think I qualified my statement clearly. I've seen your website - you obviously have a nice business and know what you're doing but if you're going to whine all your days about how Adobe has hurt you and see no solution...

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Re: Adobe losing a potential big broadcast client with rental only
by Gabe Strong in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
See that's the thing. For those of 'you' who bought the updates every year, yeah maybe it's a wash... But there are plenty of us who didn't buy the updates every year. Some TV station groups are notorious for holding onto and using older gear, because it is paid off...

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Re: Adobe losing a potential big broadcast client with rental only
by Aindreas Gallagher in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Gary Huff] "Yes, but when your "make a big stink" starts to be misinformed and full of ridiculous, " my ass. enough with the polite crappy bullying - however you phrase it there is a problem here. ownership works are in process creative works. that entire process of generation is...

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Re: Adobe losing a potential big broadcast client with rental only
by Aindreas Gallagher in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
well I'm personally OK with pizza. that's a fun surprise. also - on the thing - sure who's mis-informed? god knows if anything there is an exhaustive trawling of the tealeaves on adobe's intent and financial model here. I don't think this place amounts to fart gag stink, but there...

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Adobe CC log-in issues
by Oliver Peters in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
http://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/376/442 That's encouraging! Not. I'm having similar issues just now, but fortunately nothing work dependent. My apps are working fine. Just the CC app won't take a log-in and says there's a momentary problem. - Oliver Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC Orlando, FL www.oliverpeters.com...

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Adobe are a joke
by Aindreas Gallagher in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
being completely genuine here - reading some of the stuff about the ongoing length of the lockout designers across all disciplines are now globally dealing with - this is starting to become a horrible joke. People are being told to keep an eye on twitter. People who had control of...

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Re: Adobe are a joke
by Tom Sefton in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
They used to be the firm you relied on for delivering a project from inception to invoice and would confidently back over big players despite their small reputation for video. Now they are the big bad wolf, holding feet to the fire and shaking pennies from the pockets of anyone...

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Re: Adobe CC log-in issues
by Aindreas Gallagher in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
can't beat gallows laughs - still a disgrace though this. a pure utter incompetent disgrace. If they were going to pull this on everyone, they could at least have the grace not to be morons executing it. no one liked it to begin with, and now everyone, as designers, is...

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Re: Adobe are a joke
by Dave LaRonde in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
Yeah, I just can't wait for that new Avid After Effects, Photoshop and Illustrator. Oh, wait.... you say Avid isn't going to make those things? Geez, that leaves a boatload of people up a creek without a paddle. Dave LaRonde Promotion Producer KGAN (CBS) & KFXA (Fox) Cedar Rapids, IA...

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Re: Daily Beast Article
by Gary Huff in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Chris Pettit] "They don't go down all at once, worldwide." It wasn't down for everyone. Wasn't down for me, wasn't down for the other person I talked to today. [Chris Pettit] "The industry doesn't come to a halt if my little 24 Core XEON workstation dies." The "industry" came more...

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Re: Daily Beast Article
by Dino Sanacory in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Gary Huff] What is the percentage of Apple Mac Pros or Dell/HP workstations that go down? That can result in missing deadlines and losing clients as well. Do you know the number? Was that number a part of your purchasing decision in whatever platform you picked to go with? What...

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Re: Daily Beast Article
by David Lawrence in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Gary Huff] "Highly unlikely. Again, myself and others in my circle were unaffected. Completely." Well, I guess that settles it folks. One person and his friends out of 1.8 million customers were unaffected. Completely. Nothing to see here. Time to close this forum, shut up and move on. :P _______________________...

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Re: Adobe Outage - Adobe Offers Compensation (Maybe)
by Franz Bieberkopf in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Walter Soyka] "Outside of installation, it is not the normal state for the CC desktop apps to require immediate authorization during use any more than it is for CS6, which is why so many CC users didn't even notice the outage." Walter, It seems a bit more than this -...

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Re: Adobe Outage - Adobe Offers Compensation (Maybe)
by David Lawrence in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Walter Soyka] "No, you must be signed in or running the trial to use the desktop apps." That, in a nutshell is why the current CC licensing model is inherently problematic. If you must be logged into Adobe to run applications that live on your personal computer's hard drive, you...

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Re: Adobe Outage - Adobe Offers Compensation (Maybe)
by Walter Soyka in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[David Lawrence] "The current CC licensing model is the antithesis of personal computing." David, I'd like to highlight this comment. I find it very thought-provoking. This could start the sort of conversation I had hoped could grow out of this forum, much like all the interesting conversations that came out...

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Re: Adobe Outage - Adobe Offers Compensation (Maybe)
by David Lawrence in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Walter Soyka] "David, I'd like to highlight this comment. I find it very thought-provoking. This could start the sort of conversation I had hoped could grow out of this forum, much like all the interesting conversations that came out of the FCPX or Not forum. More to come on this...

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techrepublic neatly explains why the creative cloud is a greedy incoherent controlling DRM mess.
by Aindreas Gallagher in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
http://www.techrepublic.com/article/adobe-creative-cloud-outage-workaround-highlights-drm-issues/# . to quote: As a result of the outage, the digital version of the UK's Daily Mail tabloid newspaper, "Mail Plus," was unavailable Thursday, and access to the Adobe Digital Publishing Suite -- a cloud-only service for which no workaround existed -- was also unavailable. The "service" in software-as-a-service...

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Re: universities pov for students. dont get into cc.
by Chris Pettit in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Michael Hendrix] "Give the kids and parents a break, cut tuition costs. Do something to keep kids from entering their careers swimming in massive debt." You wont get argument from me on that front Michael, I have lots of issues with colleges and universities regarding tution ( I have 3...

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Re: techrepublic neatly explains why the creative cloud is a greedy incoherent controlling DRM mess.
by David Lawrence in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Chris Pettit] "Your previous posts regarding concerns about DRM are perfectly represented in this article David. Seems like a direct reflection of your thoughts" Thanks Chris, I'm glad the press is finally starting to recognize the forced CC licensing model for what it is. _______________________ David Lawrence art~media~design~research propaganda.com publicmattersgroup.com...

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Re: universities pov for students. dont get into cc.
by David Mathis in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
Chris, your post is spot on and I agree with you completely. I could see Avid as a recommendation, as far as I know they offer educational pricing and it will be more affordable over the long term. Not to mention, should someone decide to exit out they keep the...

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adobe cc to little to soon
by Ricardo Marty in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
http://www.businesscloudnews.com/2014/05/20/adobe-creative-cloud-too-little-too-soon/ ricardo marty looks like many are finally discovering the medeterranean...

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Re: adobe cc to little to soon
by Walter Soyka in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
This article erroneously connects the authentication outage with the ability to use the desktop apps. I think it's misleading at best and false at worst to claim that "millions of users were unable to login to applications like Photoshop and Illustrator." This article also positions Creative Cloud as nothing more...

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Re: techrepublic neatly explains why the creative cloud is a greedy incoherent controlling DRM mess.
by Aindreas Gallagher in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
broader issues aside, you'd think they might consider doing something here - taking down the dailymail website for 24 hours is the kind of thing that gets noticed. It's the most popular news website in the world. http://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2012/jan/25/dailymail-internet I think its also pretty funny that the article's core argument is...

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Re: adobe cc to little to soon
by Walter Soyka in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Aindreas Gallagher] "wrong wrong wrong walter. It did indeed lead to lockout in a large number of cases. we just don't anecdotally know how many and adobe is extremely unlikely to tell us. " The article specifies millions. As there are roughly "millions" of CC customers (circa 1.8M?), it implies...

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Re: On Certainty and Truth
by Franz Bieberkopf in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Gary Huff] "... if it's not clear, or even true, why do you still insist on bringing it up until you know for certain?" Gary, Indeed. cf. History of Philosophy, and epistemology in particular; Descartes would be the obvious place to start, and it's hard to avoid the problem of...

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Re: Is Creative Cloud a threat to Personal Computing?
by David Mathis in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
I agree about the CC licensing model analogy, completely! There is Avid who offers both subscription and the option to buy. Same thing with Red Giant Universe, rent or lifetime membership. There is no complicated price structure. They come out a winner and so does their customer base. Hope they...

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Re: Is Creative Cloud a threat to Personal Computing?
by Walter Soyka in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
Andrew & Aindreas, I am not even talking about Creative Cloud yet. I am just talking about what personal computing means, so we can discuss whether we still really have this today or if we are now in some other phase. The term and the concept of personal computing predates...

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Re: Is Creative Cloud a threat to Personal Computing?
by Jim Wiseman in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
Well I'm with you, Walter, on the "what does it mean to computing" for people like us (still a broad sample). I do believe Mr. Narayen sees it more from the Wall Street side, and the size of his personal bank balance, given the insider options exercised since CC came...

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Re: Is Creative Cloud a threat to Personal Computing?
by Richard Herd in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Walter Soyka] "Wikipedia: A conspiracy theory is an explanatory proposition that accuses two or more persons, a group, or an organization of having caused or covered up, through secret planning and deliberate action, an illegal or harmful event or situation." I am not claiming it is secret. I don't feel...

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Re: Is Creative Cloud a threat to Personal Computing?
by Walter Soyka in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
Ricardo & Aindreas, I apologize. My intention was not to try to silence anyone, just to not lose the thread on personal computing. Of course, it was the digressions that made the other forum so interesting. Walter Soyka Designer & Mad Scientist at Keen Live [link] Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events,...

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Re: Is Creative Cloud a threat to Personal Computing?
by Gary Huff in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Chris Pettit] "While technically true" You just obliterated the second half of your statement right out of the gate. It is true. The difference is between those who realize it is true, and those who continue to want to lie to themselves to be able to feel better....

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Re: Is Creative Cloud a threat to Personal Computing?
by Brian Charles in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
First, let me be clear, I’m not a fan of Creative Cloud in its current form. Like David Lawrence I see it as a form of DRM. Like Jim Wiseman I want to know I can access my own work in perpetuity without having to continue to pay a fee...

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Re: Is Creative Cloud a threat to Personal Computing?
by Brian Charles in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Jim Wiseman] "I see rental as a very insidious trend" Ditto. Unlike you I'm pretty hooked into After Effects, this may become the sore spot for me. I'm also in an odd position since I have a perpetual license for CS6 and earlier versions (to avoid resurrecting a flame war...

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Re: Is Creative Cloud a threat to Personal Computing?
by Brian Charles in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Walter Soyka] "Anybody subscribing to Netflix or Spotify? Is that the same, or is it different?" I think these are different categories of goods. They are consumables that aren't used to produce my work. Do you subscribe to your car, your microwave, your hammer?...

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Re: Is Creative Cloud a threat to Personal Computing?
by Tim Wilson in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
I subscribe to Spotify, and am insane for it. It's Netflix for music. A lot iTuners have missed the biggest part of this story, that digital sales are down 14% this year, and streaming subscriptions are up 88%. It gets even scarier for Apple when you break it down: digital...

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Re: Is Creative Cloud a threat to Personal Computing?
by Gary Huff in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
You apparently don't understand the point, and/or how software works. I am not talking subscription based, and if you think that IZotope can't reach across the Internet and deactivate you remotely, then you are astoundingly naive....

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Re: Is Creative Cloud a threat to Personal Computing?
by David Lawrence in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Gary Huff] "You mean having a similar kind of issue like Adobe did?" No. You're confusing an arbitrary outage with Adobe's new licensing terms which allows Adobe to flip a kill switch and shut off your software at any time for any reason: 19.3 Termination or Suspension of Services. Adobe...

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Re: Is Creative Cloud a threat to Personal Computing?
by Gary Huff in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[David Lawrence] " My point is that desktop software that refuses to run without a corporate-controlled kill switch, a kill switch that requires login and demands infinite payment is vastly different than typical software authorization." Who is saying that? I'm not saying that. What I am saying is that the...

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Re: Is Creative Cloud a threat to Personal Computing?
by Tim Wilson in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[David Lawrence] "....termination of your account may include.... Note again that I'm a fan of Creative Cloud, and I have no problems with a subscription-only approach. I just don't. If I was inside Adobe, I'd counsel them to stay the course. I just would. BUT, David has pointed out a...

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Re: Is Creative Cloud a threat to Personal Computing?
by Brian Charles in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Gary Huff] "Nice, but it doesn't change the fact that it's no different. You stop paying Big Electric, you don't have a way to work or access your work. Unless you buy a generator. But now you have to buy gas on a constant basis, even if it's not subscription-based."...

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Re: Is Creative Cloud a threat to Personal Computing?
by Aindreas Gallagher in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
that is an utterly crazy comparison - you're comparing forced software tools DRM and rental with access to the national power grid. at that rate, you might as well draw direct comparisons between salmon with meteorites. http://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics...

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a legal expert speaks to the Adobe software DRM failure.
by Aindreas Gallagher in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
http://www.out-law.com/en/articles/2014/may/adobe-creative-cloud-outage-highlights-need-for-it-contingency-provision/ "The outage of Adobe’s Creative Cloud, which relies on cloud-based functionality to provide what should be a seamless environment as users switch between software packages and workstations, is a perfect example of how quickly and seriously an outage can undermine a cloud subscription software model and disenfranchise users," said...

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Re: a legal expert speaks to the Adobe software DRM failure.
by Aindreas Gallagher in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
gary - mate - for the love of god. tell me there is no resonance in the comparison. Tell me you don't find it extraordinary that there has been no key statement from the CEO on any of this. when the comparison occurred to me, it kind of shocked me?...

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Re: a legal expert speaks to the Adobe software DRM failure.
by Rich Rubasch in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
Thank you AG for continuing to bring a reasonable argument against this crazy subscription model with software that is such an integral part of our business today and tomorrow. And wish I could write like you in similar flavors. : ) Rich Rubasch Tilt Media Inc. Video Production, Post, Studio...

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Re: a legal expert speaks to the Adobe software DRM failure.
by Gary Huff in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Aindreas Gallagher] "tell me there is no resonance in the comparison. Tell me you don't find it extraordinary that there has been no key statement from the CEO on any of this. when the comparison occurred to me, it kind of shocked me? You'd be tempted to think he possibly...

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Re: Is Creative Cloud a threat to Personal Computing?
by Ricardo Marty in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
salmos and meteorites share a comun thing. they both race to their ends. ricardo marty...

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Re: The Return of the perpetual license?
by Chris Pettit in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
Right, they're calling it the "when pigs fly" release. BTW, sure seems like a lot of hype and "whiz bang" for a company that says it's glad it doesn't have to produce "whiz bang" anymore....

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Re: The Return of the perpetual license?
by David Lawrence in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Chris Pettit] "BTW, sure seems like a lot of hype and "whiz bang" for a company that says it's glad it doesn't have to produce "whiz bang" anymore." Yep, and note the new naming convention: Adobe is moving forward with the CC name, and that won’t change. However, they are...

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Re: The Return of the perpetual license?
by Franz Bieberkopf in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Andrew Kimery] "I'm not sure why anyone thought major releases and version numbers were a thing of the past." Andrew, Personally this has just clarified what we've suspected anyway. http://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/378/7565 http://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/378/5832 But I think the impact of this has to do with the ideas that have formed around continuous updates...

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Re: The Return of the perpetual license?
by Gary Huff in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Chris Pettit] "Because we were told so. On this forum." We were told no such thing....

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Re: The Return of the perpetual license?
by Dino Sanacory in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Gary Huff] "[Chris Pettit] "Because we were told so. On this forum." We were told no such thing." Gary, your cleverness continues to astound. Actually, just two month ago I was engaged in a discussion on this very topic wherein an actual Adobe employee expounded upon the virtues of being...

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Re: The Return of the perpetual license?
by Dave LaRonde in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
I think it's kind of cute that Adobe feels compelled to resort to the marketing practices of the past when they don't have to. If creative cloud represents a way for the software to just evolve -- rather than issuing a new release with iffy but glitzy features -- why...

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Re: The Return of the perpetual license?
by Aindreas Gallagher in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Gary Huff] "That's not what they are calling it. It's Photoshop CC 2014. Not Creative Cloud 2.0." oh ok - is that what it is? I haven't seen that. [Gary Huff] "So honor system then? No DRM?" maybe - they need to find a way to change the conversation -...

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Re: The Atlantic Council think tank takes a position on cloud service providers.
by Steve Connor in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Gary Huff] "Because Apple." Of course it is Gary Steve Connor Mellowing slowly...

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Re: The Atlantic Council think tank takes a position on cloud service providers.
by Jim Wiseman in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Gary Huff] "Your data is your video, graphics, and renders. The project file is but a small portion of that anyway. " The project file is the most difficult and valuable part of the work. It is the final sculpture from the raw data of images and sounds. It is...

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Re: The Atlantic Council think tank takes a position on cloud service providers.
by Steve Connor in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[David Lawrence] "No more than when you hear a symphony, you're listening to the score. ;)" Good analogy. Can't believe anyone would argue that the project file isn't extremely important. Steve Connor Mellowing slowly...

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Re: The Atlantic Council think tank takes a position on cloud service providers.
by Aindreas Gallagher in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Gary Huff] ""I don't want to lose access to my files" or "I need to be able to have access to my data." etc." sure but if I was going to pick access to one particular bundle of data - it's going to be the project file. as pieces of...

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Re: The Atlantic Council think tank takes a position on cloud service providers.
by Dave LaRonde in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
Again, you cite only the example of video editing project files, just about the simplest and most straightforward project files there are.... and as if they're the only kind of project files that actually matter. I assure you, there is far, far more to to an After Effects project file...

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Re: The Atlantic Council think tank takes a position on cloud service providers.
by Tim Wilson in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Gary Huff] "And, if something more is needed, I can reconstruct the entire project in whatever NLE it needs to be done in." [David Lawrence] "Good luck getting these simple tweaks done with just your rendered master." As much as I'm on record as being 100% on board with CC,...

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Re: The Atlantic Council think tank takes a position on cloud service providers.
by David Lawrence in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
Excellent post, Tim. Thank you. [Tim Wilson] "some of the media didn't exist independently of the project at all. It was generated INSIDE After Effects. Maybe something as simple as a gradient, maybe something as complicated as a mask. Maybe turbulent noise that was on invisible layer being used to...

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Re: Revisiting the Apocalypse
by Franz Bieberkopf in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Gary Huff] "There was no project file at all." Gary, If you read the article it is clear that the re-master was done in Avid. I don't know how one might confuse that with the edit in the 1970s on film. There is certainly now a project file, and I...

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Re: Revisiting the Apocalypse
by David Lawrence in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Gary Huff] "Like if an author wrote a novel on the iPad version of Word and then cancelled his subscription and was complaining about not having access to his work when he has his words in PDFs, RTF, and printed copies of the book. Sure, it's more of a pain...

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Re: Revisiting the Apocalypse
by Franz Bieberkopf in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Gary Huff] "So if the old project was from, say, Video Toaster, how would that help you? Or Media Composer circa 1999. If someone dumped an old FireWire hard drive in your lap with a Media Composer XL 8.0 project in it, would you be able to open it and...

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Re: Adobe 2014 Q2
by Dave LaRonde in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
Although it doesn't say, I'd be willing to bet that since they lumped all rentals together, there would be a BOATLOAD of Marketing Cloud rentals. Way more than CC rentals, I daresay. Marketing Cloud folks would tend to treat pads & phones like appendages, and they would be more amenable...

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Re: The Elephant In The Room
by David Lawrence in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
So many questions: Since CC2014 is an entirely new set of applications, doesn't that mean it's a new code base than CC2013? Will CC2013 get the same feature updates as CC2014? Or just bug fixes like CS6? If CC2013 is no longer getting feature updates and lives as a separate...

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Re: The Elephant In The Room
by Chris Jacek in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
Why, it's almost as if you're taking the cynical position the their motivation is profit. Professor, Producer, Editor and former Apple Employee...

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Re: The Elephant In The Room
by Franz Bieberkopf in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[David Lawrence] "If CC2013 is no longer getting feature updates and lives as a separate application suite on the user's HD, why can't it now be offered with a perpetual license?" To be clear, Todd has argued here before that a perpetual license release would drain resources from development of...

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Re: The Elephant In The Room
by Franz Bieberkopf in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Walter Soyka] "And I don't think the argument here has ever been that CC is a more streamlined development model than CS -- just that CC on subscription alone is more streamlined than CC with subscription plus PL" ... relevant question from July 2013: [David Smith] "How difficult would it...

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Re: Version issues
by David Lawrence in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Mike Chambers] "There is no change in policy or practice on how we develop and or release applications." Thank you Mike. It sounds like only change is in how applications are sold. This confirms what many of us have been saying from the start. Please let your managers know that...

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Re: The Elephant In The Room
by David Smith in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
I am now more convinced than ever that the only reason Adobe isn't offering perpetual licenses is because they believe forcing subscription as the only option will make them more money. That's the elephant in the room no Adobe employee is willing to acknowledge....

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Re: The Elephant In The Room
by Gary Huff in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[David Smith] "I am now more convinced than ever that the only reason Adobe isn't offering perpetual licenses is because they believe forcing subscription as the only option will make them more money. That's the elephant in the room no Adobe employee is willing to acknowledge." Of course, because sitting...

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Re: For a few minutes it looked like Adobe was reintroducing the video suite
by David Smith in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
Mike, I am interested, as I am sure many others are: if Adobe really is going to roll out a new big release like this every year that updates all applications at the same time very similar to the way Creative Suite was done, why don't they also take each...

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Re: Version issues (sample), part II
by Chris Pettit in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
Todd: Personally I don't question the need for major version releases, only that is sounds a whole lot like the old version releases before CC was mandatory. Additionally, the side by side versions don't seem to have played well with the person that posted the previously mentioned comments. This is...

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Re: Version issues (sample), part II
by Jim Wiseman in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
And FCPX costs $299 PERPETUAL. I could own both versions for less than a few months of CC. And it would always open my work. If Adobe keeps this up they are toast. Jim Wiseman Sony PMW-EX1, Pana AJ-D810 DVCPro, DVX-100, Nikon D7000, Final Cut Pro X 10.1.1, Final Cut...

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Re: For a few minutes it looked like Adobe was reintroducing the video suite
by David Smith in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
Kevin, your answer doesn't actually address my question any better than saying "because we don't want to", but thanks for trying....

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Re: For a few minutes it looked like Adobe was reintroducing the video suite
by Aindreas Gallagher in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Kevin Monahan] "It's because we've already stated that all future development will be for Creative Cloud." lets try that again: It's because we've already stated we are implementing remote DRM subscription rental locks for the software you owned once upon a time. why beat about the bush. the creative cloud...

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Re: For a few minutes it looked like Adobe was reintroducing the video suite
by Chris Pettit in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Kevin Monahan] " [David Smith] "why don't they also take each new yearly big release and sell it with a perpetual license?" It's because we've already stated that all future development will be for Creative Cloud. Sorry if that's not going to work for you." Wow. Adobe must be convinced...

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Re: Version issues (sample), part II
by Andrew Kimery in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
I agree that there are lots of scenarios. Somewhere in this mess of version/update/elephant threads I mentioned a couple but I'm to lazy to find them. Some sort of loyalty buyout option is something I've been asking about for a while. I recently got a survey sent to me from...

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Re: Version issues (sample), part II
by Chris Pettit in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Todd Kopriva] "We on the After Effects team---and several other teams---decided that we liked that feature, and we implemented it, too." that's why I asked, great way to go, but ultimately it would need to be universal to be truly useful I would think. [Todd Kopriva] " In general, third-party...

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Re: Is Avid upset they don't have their own ": The Debate" forum?
by Tim Wilson in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
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Re: Video apps 2014 - huge performance boost
by Todd Kopriva in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
Thanks for the feedback. On the After Effects side, we fixed quite a few bugs here and there in the current version that affect performance, but---at the risk of sounding like a tease---you ain't seen nothin' yet. ;-) We're doing a lot of work on interactive performance now that we...

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Re: Video apps 2014 - huge performance boost
by Chris Pettit in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Joseph W. Bourke] "Not worthless at all to the tens of thousands who seem to be perfectly happy with the current structure." I don't endorse declarations of anything to be 'worthless', particularly when so many find it productive and useful, but the statement that 10's of thousands are "perfectly happy"...

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Re: Video apps 2014 - huge performance boost
by Chris Pettit in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Andrew Kimery] "As opposed to fixating on the dissatisfied which is a completely acceptable simplification? ;)" I know it may seem like I am, but I'm actually not. I've recommended CC to specific people who would benefit from it in their particular circumstances for example. I actually thought it was...

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Re: Video apps 2014 - huge performance boost
by Gustavo Bermudas in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
The only good thing about the Creative Cloud system is that it will keep Adobe on its toes when it comes to bringing new features, they have to remain extremely competitive since the minute there's a solution where you don't have to pay a monthly fee that's better or equal...

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Re: Video apps 2014 - huge performance boost
by David Smith in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
I'll rent a video that I'll watch once and never need to rent or use again. I will subscribe to services and/or expendables. Adobe's desktop software is neither of those. I never rent tools that I need to keep using. I always buy. And if it breaks or becomes outdated...

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Re: Video apps 2014 - huge performance boost
by Chris Pettit in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Andrew Kimery] "Maybe it's because a lot of my background is with TV shows and some live events but I'm used to gear being rented." Interesting perspective. My original background was in ENG production for network news, mostly sound but everything else as well. And the rule then (and still...

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Re: Video apps 2014 - huge performance boost
by Chris Pettit in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Andrew Kimery] "Right, I should have been more specific. In situations like network news, working in-house or for a post facility that operates 365 days a year where you are using the same gear over and over again every day it makes sense to buy, not rent." A perfect description...

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Re: Video apps 2014 - huge performance boost
by Chris Pettit in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Andrew Kimery] "I would say Avid and FCP Z are still the two most common NLEs I see in LA area job postings. PPro jobs are a very distant third and FCP X jobs are an even more distant fourth." That's interesting. I guess I'm such a believer in PPro...

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Blistering tech support critique from one of Adobe's biggest supporters
by Andy Field in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
From Larry Jordan (who makes a big part of his living with Adobe Training) with scathing criticism of Adobe Tech support EDITORIAL: ADOBE MEDIA ENCODER WON'T LAUNCH... AND I CAN'T FIND OUT WHY! I was planning to write an article on Adobe Media Encoder's latest features for this week's newsletter....

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Re: Blistering tech support critique from one of Adobe's biggest supporters
by David Lawrence in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Gary Huff] "Who does this? Why would you go to Adobe's website first instead of Google?" Anyone who uses the built in help on any Adobe application. It take you to the Adobe web site. _______________________ David Lawrence art~media~design~research propaganda.com publicmattersgroup.com http://lnkd.in/Cfz92F facebook.com/dlawrence twitter.com/dhl vimeo.com/dlawrence/albums...

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Re: Blistering tech support critique from one of Adobe's biggest supporters
by Franz Bieberkopf in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Walter Soyka] "... it also would have been nice if he had researched the issue just a little more and provided the solution for his readers." Walter, Let's not gloss over the fact that this responsibility rests first with Adobe, who presumably have people who get paid to do precisely...

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Re: Blistering tech support critique from one of Adobe's biggest supporters
by Andy Field in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
Support should be a lot like MASH's Radar O'Reilly it sees and solves the problem before anyone knows it exists And then clearly offers on line solutions There's an issue I've come up against called Adobe32 something or other that literally devours all the power cpu cycles and paralyzes Premiere...

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Re: Blistering tech support critique from one of Adobe's biggest supporters
by Herb Sevush in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Walter Soyka] "I would have actually thought that variations in workflow are an area where forums win. Workflows develop in the wild that the developers may not expect." My issue is that often I don't know what the developers expect. Without documentation I don't know what's a bug and what...

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So Adobe is now a "cloud service" company?
by Chris Pettit in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
http://blogs.adobe.com/adobecare/ "We are currently investigating an issue with Adobe login services that is preventing users from being able to log in to the Creative Cloud and Adobe websites and services. Desktop applications are not impacted, although Creative Cloud services used by those applications may not be available." "We will provide...

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Re: So Adobe is now a "cloud service" company?
by Chris Pettit in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
We will provide the next update here no later than 6:30 PM PST. We will provide the next update here no later than 7:30 PM PST. We will provide the next update here no later than 8:30 PM PST. There is simply no way I'm turning my business over to...

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Re: So Adobe is now a "cloud service" company?
by Ricardo Marty in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
i doubt very much that they contemplated 9.95 subscriptions, 40% off pricing. 2 years into cc. plus all the fire sale prices. they did not include it in the propectus. ricardo marty...

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Re: So Adobe is now a "cloud service" company?
by Chris Pettit in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Tim Wilson] " I agree that there is a big difference between people paying for something and people being HAPPY about HAVING to pay for something. BUT, the fact that Adobe's numbers are moving so much more quickly ahead of projection -- as much as 30% ahead of projection --...

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Re: So Adobe is now a "cloud service" company?
by Franz Bieberkopf in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Tim Wilson] "... but I ask again, what SPECIFICALLY would you say that will be more persuasive than their customers' actual behavior? The suits are waiting for your data to help keep the company on the rails. What's the data that trumps behavior?" Tim, This is a good point. The...

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Re: @Tim
by Franz Bieberkopf in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Chris Pettit] "Maybe a Creative Cow satisfaction / motivation Poll is in order?" Tim, This is a great idea. How many Adobe users pass through all these forums? Why not ask. Franz....

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Re: @Tim
by Franz Bieberkopf in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Andrew Kimery] " It's useless information in the bigger discussion of how all Adobe users feel about the move to CC." Andrew, Okay, but CC subscription numbers are equally useless then - self-selecting and only a subset of Adobe users, etc. Franz....

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Polls
by Tim Wilson in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
Threads with my name in them make me nervous, so I'm going to talk about polls here. LOL My first question is, what do you want a poll to tell Adobe that you think they don't already know? Is your thinking that, if they really understood how "people" feel, that...

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Re: Polls
by Aindreas Gallagher in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Tim Wilson] "Is it that you think that if they really, truly understood you, and everyone else who feels the way you do, that they'd do things the way you think they should?" yes. this bit - just this bit - there were other words and sentences before it, But...

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Re: Polls
by Aindreas Gallagher in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
Well, personally I'm in it for self aggrandising posts berating adobe and the ever delicious raw meat of trollish conflict. http://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics...

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Re: Polls
by Tim Wilson in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
Aindreas, your replies to me and Franz may be my two favorite posts in the history of the COW. Franz, I have several reasons for thinking this forum is very important. Its first purpose, historically speaking, was to create a venue for this kind of discussion. That may seem small...

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Re: Polls
by Rich Rubasch in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
I do tent to steer the Harley away from the main highway and around thru the farm fields and country roads on the way home. Adds 20 minutes to the commute but adds years to my life! Rich Rubasch Tilt Media Inc. Video Production, Post, Studio Sound Stage Founder/President/Editor/Designer/Animator http://www.tiltmedia.com...

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Re: Downloading CS6 Trials
by Rainer Schubert in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
Seems, they have to hide it very well, but you can still try it here: http://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/policy-pricing/cs6-product-downloads.html (PS.: Didin´t try, but that´s the full product download, and it should work in DEMO Mode for a month if you have no Serial. They official don´t offer Trials for the good old and...

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Re: The Ongoing Creative Cloud
by Franz Bieberkopf in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Walter Soyka] "As for major versus minor version numbers, what distinguishes among them? Traditionally with Adobe apps, this seems to track with file format, which in turn tracks with feature set. For example, Ae CC 12.0 can read a project from Ae CC 12.2, but not from Ae CC 2014...

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Re: The Ongoing Creative Cloud
by Franz Bieberkopf in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Walter Soyka] "What does "major version" mean to you, and what do you think it should mean in the context of Adobe CC" Walter, "Major version" should indicate a milestone in terms of features and functionality. This is most obviously reflected in file/project format. That might come once a year...

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Renting Furniture
by Chris Pettit in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
This has been floating around for a little while, but what the heck, made me laugh:...

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Re: Renting Furniture
by Aindreas Gallagher in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
no. we're all in the long grass preparing a nuclear assault with hoarded articles from the motley fool and fortune outlining that the adobe numbers are horrible fakes based on dodgy math. but it's a really hot summer and there are two bank holidays in august so we're pencilling it...

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Re: Renting Furniture
by Gary Huff in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Jim Wiseman] " It's not the cost nearly as much as losing access if you stop paying. I think this point has been made before." Yes, for all those precious video clips that go "poof!"...

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Re: Renting Furniture
by Chris Pettit in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Gary Huff] "Hence why Adobe had to go subscription-only." As usual, absolute nonsense Gary. I would have paid for 2 upgrade cycles by now (since the removal of PLs) if it weren't for forced subscriptions for life.(I've paid for every upgrade, including point upgrades since the original CS). Adobe would...

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Re: Sharknado 2 (the second one) uses XML to routinely travel between Premiere CC and FCP7
by Shane Ross in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Gary Huff] "For media or for re-linking?" For EVERYTHING. Linking, exporting AAF, XML...EDL. Tracking the footage. What if a hard drive dies and you need to rebuild the cut? Reel and TC allow you to do that. Same with rebuilding an old project that no longer has the "transcoded" media...

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Re: CC screwed me this weekend. Sigh.
by David Lawrence in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[David Mathis] "I like choice and like to have control. To me subscription only offers neither. My two cents, whatever it is worth." Wise words, David. Bill, sorry you got bitten. A least you were lucky and only getting started. Imagine missing an important deadline because of an outage like...

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Re: So is that it - have Adobe won?
by Hans Swets in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
It depends on how you define "won". I think a lot of users went back to CS6 or are looking for alternatives outside Adobe. The pro and cons of Adobe's strategy, have been addressed in this forum (a lot!) What else is left to say? I'm done with it. I...

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Re: So is that it - have Adobe won?
by Rainer Schubert in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
As quiet as Adobe was during the whole discussion. No word from there. No serious Exit/No buy out. No Alternative to "Take all or Leave" Everyone on Master Collection Level - if necessary or not. and so on. Pros and Cons are told. As long as perpetual software or software...

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Re: So is that it - have Adobe won?
by Mike Parfit in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
Adobe didn't win. It lost. It may have reached some of its short-term financial goals, and it may have outlasted the present noise. But it has deeply fertilized the ground for its future competition, by burning much of the good will its many friendly, capable employees have built up over...

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Re: So is that it - have Adobe won?
by David Mathis in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
I have found my solution. Editing and finishing: FCP X and Motion Motion graphics: Motion Color grading: Resolve 11 Looking at Acorn to replace Photoshop and saving money for a node based compositor....

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Re: So is that it - have Adobe won?
by Joe Brooks in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
I've been watching this discussion forum since Adobe made changes to its licenses but this is the first time I have tried to comment. I'm on CS 5.5 Master and that is where I will stay, I have no intention of ever moving to Creative Cloud because of the licensing...

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Re: So is that it - have Adobe won?
by Chris Pettit in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
Well, a sizable percentage of their former customers are no longer giving them money, and may never do so again. Doesn't sound like winning to me. But it all depends on how profitable their "take it or shove it" gamble is long term. I'm still amazed that they would rather...

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Re: So is that it - have Adobe won?
by Herbert van der wegen in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
Although for my teaching I still have to use Adobe software, at least for my freelance and personal work I have moved completely away from Adobe. I merely use my CS6 license as a conversion tool for Adobe proprietary formats I encounter in my work. My migration to alternatives actually...

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Re: So is that it - have Adobe won?
by Walter Soyka in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Chris Pettit] "I'm actually willing to invest in Foundry products, even including Nuke's hefty price tag, and I'm interested in moving on beyond Adobe's approach to, well, everything, including the composting pipeline. And I've had a small introduction to the concept of node based pipelines. " You can buy a...

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Re: 4.5 Million Records of Idenitfying Information Hacked
by Dave LaRonde in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
There may be a Target Stores user forum -- hey, it could happen -- and if an important portion of my livelihood revolved around the ins and outs of shopping at Target, I'd probably frequent it. And if such a thing DOES exist, I'm pretty certain Target was being reviled...

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adobe web tools and subscription
by Aindreas Gallagher in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
there's a chunk from Herbert below that reads very similar to a lot of stuff out there for some time, some I've heard myself: I left Adobe's web tools a long time ago. Dreamweaver cannot compete with the likes of Netbeans, Macaw, and other tools. Muse is a joke (in...

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And I fold.
by Aindreas Gallagher in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
I fold. transferred job from lappie to client machine - went from AE CS6 to AE CC 2014 - client machine suddenly had to go away. There followed a variety of mad glitches installing previous AE CC version to get back to CS6... twas magical delivery day with revisions a...

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Re: And I fold.
by David Lawrence in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Aindreas Gallagher] "Fight on you crazy diamonds, but I think they might get us all in the end." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s _______________________ David Lawrence art~media~design~research propaganda.com publicmattersgroup.com http://lnkd.in/Cfz92F facebook.com/dlawrence twitter.com/dhl vimeo.com/dlawrence/albums...

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Re: And I fold.
by Chris Pettit in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
Hmmm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwXxxniIeQs...

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Re: And I fold.
by Gabe Strong in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Aindreas Gallagher] "Fight on you crazy diamonds, but I think they might get us all in the end." Maybe a lot of us. Not all of us. Have fun with 'your' new software. Gabe Strong G-Force Productions www.gforcevideo.com...

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Re: And I fold.
by Aindreas Gallagher in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
that I only downloaded AE after I paid for CC - that's the one I needed on the spot. I was joking about muse - my understanding is that its a staggeringly unsuccessful product, hence little seen. http://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics...

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Re: And I fold.
by Lance Bachelder in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
Haha - I just unfolded. After 2 years on CC monthly I just reduced to Photoshop only and have no plans of returning to Premiere (unless it's a well paid gig where I have no say in the NLE of course). After 3 years of love/hate it's actually FCPX that...

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Re: the modern corporation (like adobe)
by Andrew Kimery in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Ricardo Marty] "Historically in the US, corporations had responsibilities to their customers, employees, communities, and owners. In recent years this has been changed. Today corporations only have responsibilities to their shareholders. If profits go up, executives receive performance bonuses for serving shareholders. " Serendipitous that you posted this as I'd...

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Re: Great nuts and blots look at Premiere improvements
by Ricardo Marty in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
no, just his soul. acutally he sold it. but he still has to pay 40 bucks per month for eternity....

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Re: Great nuts and blots look at Premiere improvements
by Aindreas Gallagher in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
guys. come on now. guys. we're all friends here. guys. What's that in your hand? now wait. remember all those diatribes I posted? Guys put that down. there's no need for that. guys?? http://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics...

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Re: Great nuts and blots look at Premiere improvements
by Chris Pettit in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
I have to admit, I watched the new features video. Project manager Render and replace Media browser improvements Multi-Project GoPro Codec All unquestionably improvements. Not so sure about other apps yet, but PPro looks great. No intentions of submitting to Adobe slavery, but I am jealous....

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Re: Great nuts and blots look at Premiere improvements
by David Lawrence in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
[Chris Pettit] "All unquestionably improvements. Not so sure about other apps yet, but PPro looks great." Yep, would love to give Adobe my money. Too bad they don't want it. _______________________ David Lawrence art~media~design~research propaganda.com publicmattersgroup.com http://lnkd.in/Cfz92F facebook.com/dlawrence twitter.com/dhl vimeo.com/dlawrence/albums...

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Re: Adobe Revenue Forecast Misses, Shares Slip
by Ricardo Marty in the Adobe Creative Cloud: The Debate Forum
how long can wall street prop up this company before the investors dump it. now they are making at least 8 times less than before the cloud. ricardo marty...

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Re: OT: Just for fun
by Oliver Peters in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
Laugh all you want, but Adobe certainly has a better collaboration story to tell. http://vimeo.com/89815965 Send to Motion, anyone? ;-) - Oliver Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC Orlando, FL www.oliverpeters.com...

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Re: OT: Just for fun
by Steve Connor in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
I like the PPro Timeline, it is in fact possible to enjoy both that and the FCP X one. Steve Connor Class Bully...

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Re: Goodbye FCPX
by Lance Moody in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
"I mean, who really cares?" Well, not everyone, obviously but I do....

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Re: Goodbye FCPX
by Dennis Tzeng in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
[Charlie Austin] "I'm just a little tired of the high and mighty "FCP is not Professional" bullsh*t. That's all." Which is what I heard about Premiere from Final Cut users for many years. Kind of funny how things have changed....

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Re: Goodbye FCPX
by Dennis Radeke in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
[Charlie Austin] "I'm just a little tired of the high and mighty "FCP is not Professional" bullsh*t. That's all." Oh, the irony... Charlie, I feel for you...in fact I understand exactly how you feel. As an Adobe employee for over 9 years, I saw where Premiere Pro was headed yet...

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Re: Goodbye FCPX
by Jeremy Garchow in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
http://youtu.be/KXXDC5FarhE...

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Re: Goodbye FCPX
by Steve Connor in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
[Chris Harlan] "Oh, c'mon. Deep, deep in your heart you know you are. I've heard you even have a tattoo. " Tis true! Steve Connor Class Bully...

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Re: Goodbye FCPX
by Lance Bachelder in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
Boy are you wrong there - I was a beta tester from Premiere Pro 1 through the first CS suite. It was a disaster! No one at Adobe would listen to us, the program was chock full of bugs - I could write book on the nightmares of cutting a...

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Re: The New Adobe
by David Lawrence in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
[Jeremy Garchow] "The CC fallout is happening. Avid, Autodesk, Intelligent Assistance, Red Giant, and others are now offering subscription options. I know I've missed a few companies, and I'm sure there'll be more. The plan is in full effect. " I don't think anyone objects to subscription as an option....

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Re: Resolve 11 What is your plan?
by Oliver Peters in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
I'm going to amend my thoughts on Resolve 11 as only being a finishing editor. Resolve 11 is significantly ahead of Resolve 10 in the editing department. At the end of today, I went back and spent about half an hour with the demo artist going deeper into the editing...

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Re: Avid slyly opening up at NAB for those that noticed
by Oliver Peters in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
Gosh. At the end of the day, I'll take reliability over features. I've had far more frustrating experiences with FCP 7/X and Premiere than I've ever had with Avid. I ran into friends at the show running Premiere and heard some stories that certainly give me pause. Most of the...

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Mid-market NAB happenings
by Walter Soyka in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
The Foundry has just shown NUKE STUDIO, an all-in-one-ish product that combines NUKEX with HIERO's editorial timeline and adds real-time GPU timeline effects and background rendering. This should be released later this year. http://www.thefoundry.co.uk/about-us/news-awards/nuke-studio/ Pricing is still TBD, but they said in the webcast that it will be an upgrade...

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Re: Mid-market NAB happenings
by Andrew Kimery in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
[Mitch Ives] "The music industry thought this too, until they discovered that a billion sales at 99 cents made more money than $15 CD's. I know it's popular to hate capitalism these days, but in our industry, more money means more development resources, which means more new features. What have...

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Re: Mid-market NAB happenings
by Herb Sevush in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
[Mitch Ives] "I know it's popular to hate capitalism these days" Actually it used to be much more popular to hate capitalism back in the 30's. Today capitalism is like an aging rock star waiting for a reality series; it's a little long in the tooth, it's on it's third...

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Re: OT: Where did the Adobe debate forum go?
by Aindreas Gallagher in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
she's still going alright. post the avid subscription/permanent license tied tandem announcement, I'm currently trying to break the land speed record for use of the words 'adobe' 'liar' and 'lying'. there is a stopwatch on this and I'm going as fast as I can. http://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics...

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Re: Creative Cow in need of a new forum
by Herb Sevush in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
To the incredibly often requested notion of renaming this forum I suggest that we take Mother Mary's advice ... Herb Sevush Zebra Productions --------------------------- nothin' attached to nothin' "Deciding the spine is the process of editing" F. Bieberkopf...

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Re: Creative Cow in need of a new forum
by Tim Wilson in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
[James Culbertson] "Is FCPX becoming the center of the universe?" No, but the Debate is. :-) Speedy reply from my phone: as open asze I am to suggestions for a new name, the forum already IS what people hope it WOULD be if only we changed the name. My concern...

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Re: Creative Cow in need of a new forum
by Jim Giberti in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
If it ain't broke......

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Re: New Forum
by Franz Bieberkopf in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
Change The Forum Name or Not: The Debate Franz....

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Re: Is Pro-res keeping us Mac Based?
by Tom Sefton in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
No, OSX is....

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Re: OT: Hit Film For Mac
by Simon Ubsdell in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
If you sat down to build the ideal mograph tool today, the one thing you wouldn't do is make it look like After Effects. Tired, old, clunky, a grab-bag of random stuff that's become glued together over the years. Who in their right minds would build such a thing today?...

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Re: Bob Zelin wasn't too kind to X
by Bill Davis in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
My 2 cents. 2014 was an Adobe NAB. Their ads were above the fold everywhere. They spent huge on the show. HUGE. Adobe panels, Adobe presentations, Adobe after hours presentations. They made a big financial bet. Hopefully, it works out for them. Apple spent virtually nothing on NAB. If I...

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Re: Bob Zelin was PERFECTLY NICE to X
by Michael Phillips in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
My best customer question when demoing Media Composer was: "Is that the latest version of AOL?" "Why yes it is. I was cloud editing back in 1997." :) Michael...

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Re: Bob Zelin wasn't too kind to X
by Tim Wilson in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
[Bill Davis] "Just a guess, but with the world moving toward RAW workflows - getting the exposure precisely correct at the camera is perceived as "less" important than it used to be?" The value of RAW is overstated I think. For a lot of workflows, it creates insurmountable problems. I...

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Re: Bob Zelin wasn't too kind to X
by Tim Wilson in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
[Simon Ubsdell] "Could you please engrave this in stone and set it up where everyone can see it for evermore?" I actually have it tattooed across my lower back with a male stripper in a martini glass, Elvis, and a pun on REC-601 that I won't repeat here....

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Re: But it's a DRY camera heat...
by Clint Wardlow in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
[Mark Suszko] "How well does a water-cooled camera's plumbing stand up to travel in unpressurized aircraft cargo sections, and shooting at extreme altitudes, or in the cold?" I think if the cooling system breaks, it exposes the core and causes a chain reaction. Everything with-in 40 miles of your camera...

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Corning Optical Thunderbolt 2 cable
by Bob Zelin in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
Hi - I have no idea of where to post something like this, so I figured you guys would be interested. At NAB 2014, I saw the Corning Optical Thunderbolt 2 cables, which can be 10 meters, 30 meters or 60 meters. I tried something that they told me at...

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Re: Time for an FCP X update?
by Dennis Radeke in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
[alban egger] " In competition with Adobe they don't need to hurry to bring features, since Adobe tries to catch up with FCPX and not the other way round." In all fairness, I think all NLEs bring something different and bring something new to the table. Any trivial look into...

5 months ago   read more
Re: FCPX UI instability- is it just me?
by Jeremy Garchow in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
[Jason Porthouse] "Cursor disappearing from the UI. Still works if you manage to hover over a menu but no mouse pointer" Try selecting the arrow tool if this happens. Sometimes I find I am still stuck on the crop tool after making an adjustment and forget to hit "done" and...

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Re: On Faders and Mixing (NLEs are DAWs)
by Dennis Radeke in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
I would say that an NLE is a DAW in its function : that is it can do many of the functions of a digital audio workstation. The counterpoint is that an NLE is not a DAW in its focus . An NLE's focus is video whereas a DAW is...

4 months ago   read more
Re: On Faders and Mixing (NLEs are DAWs)
by Walter Soyka in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
[Franz Bieberkopf] "audio always offers orchestration since it's used more in parallel than picture is (which tends to be serial in arrangement)." [Franz Bieberkopf] "NLEs are DAWs - though their functions may be limited, it's hard to come up with a definition of DAW that an NLE doesn't fit "...

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Re: On Faders and Mixing (NLEs are DAWs)
by Lance Bachelder in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
Thanks Walter - you're right Vegas started as a DAW and Pro Tools competitor - Sonic Foundry added video capabilities in version 2 which is when I started using it. Vegas was the first NLE to have real-time dissolves and fades on picture (DV days). I think the only reason...

4 months ago   read more
Re: On Faders and Mixing (NLEs are DAWs)
by Michael Gissing in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
I can tell you that doing audio on FCP7, Premiere or Resolve is frustrating compared to Fairlight with faders and its architecture for clips, stacking, tracks, busses and grouping and plugins at so many levels. I have repeatedly said that NLEs would be far better with some of these DAW...

4 months ago   read more
Re: Think NLE or Camera maters? Watch this
by Simon Ubsdell in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
Well, it certainly shows that if you want your interviewees to be in focus and you don't want to blow your highlights and you want to avoid any number of really nasty artifacts, and you don't want to have to grade everything B&W to cover up the colour problems, you're...

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Re: Think NLE or Camera maters? Watch this
by Simon Ubsdell in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
"The use of the iMovie iOS software meant that filmmakers were able to carry out the majority of the editing work from the back seat of their car. Read more at http://www.cultofmac.com/279385/bentleys-latest-ad-shot-iphone-5s-edited-ipad-air/#Q6lrvzsTpXwjbCsm.99 " Why? Why would anyone want to compromise like this when shooting and editing a promo for one...

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Re: Think NLE or Camera maters? Watch this
by Simon Ubsdell in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
[Bret Williams] "Did you watch the whole video? Theyr'e also promoting the fact that the Bentley has two built in iPads behind the front seats." Yes, I did notice that there was a vestigial connection that could almost make sense of the decision - i still looks and sounds pretty...

4 months ago   read more
Re: Think NLE or Camera maters? Watch this
by Franz Bieberkopf in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
[Andy Field] "Think NLE or Camera matters?" Andy, There's always an argument that the specific tools don't matter - that there's some other ephemeral quality that transcends tools. (Some of these arguments are more convincing than others.) This commercial is no such argument. Franz....

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Re: Think NLE or Camera maters? Watch this
by Mark Raudonis in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
Simon, Who crapped in your coffee this morning? I haven't seen this kind of vitriol over a perfectly innocuous spot in quite some time. Your vehement insistence that this spot is rubbish is quite over the top. The spot is what it is. Your reaction to it is puzzling. So,...

4 months ago   read more
It's official, I really like Thunderbolt.
by Jeremy Garchow in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
I had the pleasure of converting our entire PCIe structure to thunderbolt this past week, and it was a breeze. I have not lost one Megabyte of performance over 8Gb fibre, extending keyboard, monitor, USB (mouse/Wacom/drives/whatever) was so simple and allowed me to ditch many long and bulky cables, and...

4 months ago   read more
Re: More Avid rattling as 4 leave to Gobbler
by Oliver Peters in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
[Bret Williams] "Just what market does Apple want? Too expensive for the consumer. Not pro enough for Hollywood or TV. And too controversial / arguably feature lacking for many prosumers." In the context of collaboration and Avid, we are talking about project sharing (Unity) and integrated asset management (Interplay/Media Central)....

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Re: More Avid rattling as 4 leave to Gobbler
by Bret Williams in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
Don't get me wrong. I've been making money with it nearly every day for 2+ years now. They made great strides with 10.1 especially toward collaboration / sharing media. The 3rd party plugin market is great. The logging, scrubbing is great. The new timeline paradigm has it's ups and downs....

4 months ago   read more
Re: Mavericks update might cause headaches
by Scott Witthaus in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
Another lesson in patience before updating.... Scott Witthaus Senior Editor/Post Production Supervisor 1708 Inc./Editorial Professor, VCU Brandcenter...

4 months ago   read more
FCPX is the best NLE on the market
by Steve Connor in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
It's probably not, but I thought the subject heading might get a bit more traffic through the forum, it's been uncharacteristically quiet in here over the last few days! Steve Connor Mellowing slowly...

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Re: FCPX is the best NLE on the market
by Lance Bachelder in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
If by "market" you mean the App Store - I'll agree, FCPX is the best NLE available today on the App Store. Lance Bachelder Writer, Editor, Director Downtown Long Beach, California http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1680680/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1...

4 months ago   read more
A negative about CC frequent updates
by Herb Sevush in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
Much has been made of the fact that Adobe can now update and upgrade as frequently as they like, thanks to the subscription nature of CC. Yearly upgrades, from this point of view, were merely a burden necessitated by various stock reporting rules and regulations. Having now taken the jump...

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Re: A negative about CC frequent updates
by Herb Sevush in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
[Walter Soyka] "but is this really harder than actually designing and implementing the feature? Why can't this work be done in parallel if necessary?" $$$ - you don't sell subscriptions based on your documentation. Why do they outsource their help desk to India? Why spend to create your own manuals...

4 months ago   read more
Re: Hi-End Pro's still hangin' on to 7...
by TImothy Auld in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
7 could work for many years to come if you are vigilant about not updating any, and I mean ANY software. I still use it to access old projects but find it crashes more and more and more the harder it is pushed. For any real work I've moved on...

4 months ago   read more
Re: Audio editing in FCPX
by Charlie Austin in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
[Franz Bieberkopf] "What is more precise than what, and how?" For me, the ability to move and trim clips in subframe increments without changing "modes" is really nice. Also Compound Clips are nice, in that I can cut together dialog and then comp all the tiny syllables I've stitched together...

4 months ago   read more
The stories we no longer need to miss because Hollywood misses them
by Bill Davis in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
Somebody posted a link to this on Reddit calling it an "awesome" video. On review, I agree. I think in the future of the craft of video storytelling is going to be just fine. Enjoy. http://youtu.be/L0DsvpE9aOk Know someone who teaches video editing in elementary school, high school or college? Tell...

4 months ago   read more
Re: Audio editing in FCPX
by Aindreas Gallagher in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
[Charlie Austin] "Do me a favor... Learn how to use FCP X. " I'm not that bad at it charlie - there's just a lot I fundamentally disagree with - the point is that the things that you say people don't get, are the points that they fundamentally disagree with...

4 months ago   read more
Re: America. F- Yeah!
by Tim Wilson in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
A historical footnote about Apple manufacturing in the US -- they opened a 150,000 sq ft facility in Carrolton, TX in 1980 to ramp up production of the Apple II. My father ran it. The first Macs were actually made in Fremont, CA, and the first Lisas in Cupertino. Both...

3 months ago   read more
Re: My gear is better than your gear...
by Jim Giberti in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
Ha. I've been wondering lately if i'm one of the few people left that takes pride in producing quality work without buying every piece of high end gear possible. I love that I shoot a ton of work on $1k BMPCCs with $500 HDMI field monitors rather than $2500 monitors...

3 months ago   read more
Lightworks Mac Public Beta
by Craig Seeman in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
http://www.redsharknews.com/post/item/1750-lightworks-for-apple-os-x-is-here-public-beta-available-to-all-released-this-week Available Wednesday June 11...

3 months ago   read more
Re: Lightworks Mac Public Beta
by Lance Bachelder in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
Nope no one using Lightworks at all: More Oscar and BAFTA winning shows than any NLE next to Avid. I will say though, after just a few minutes of playing with Resolve 11 at Cinegear, and having owned Lightworks Pro - my money is on Resolve. I think it will...

3 months ago   read more
Re: Lightworks Mac Public Beta
by Andrew Kimery in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
Hey Kevin, There's still a lot of work (well, a lot of movie/tv work) that's done offline/online with compartmentalized workflows (editors edit, mixers do the audio, colorists color, etc.,) so having an integrated suite like CC isn't advantageous because it's not a tip to tail Adobe workflow. There's still room...

3 months ago   read more
New Mac Pro Commercial!
by Lance Bachelder in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KK2NAwULUA Lance Bachelder Writer, Editor, Director Downtown Long Beach, California http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1680680/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1...

3 months ago   read more
Re: How has this not been posted here, yet??
by tony west in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
Ok, so he pushed an empty wheelchair onto the escalator to get that shot. Hummmmm not at all out of the ordinary. If any one of these actions doesn't draw attention somebody's sleep on the job. I can draw attention just walking down the hall minding my own biz, let...

3 months ago   read more
Re: FCPX Is Now A Universal Logging and Organizing Tool For Any NLE
by Walter Soyka in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
[TImothy Auld] "And just for emphasis I will ask one more time: Why would anyone in their right mind start a complex project in FCPX?" Dear FCP X Internet, Yesterday, I suggested that you had persecutory delusions. Today, I apologize. It was I who was delusional. Best, Walter Walter Soyka...

3 months ago   read more
Re: Resolve 11 First Thoughts
by Franz Bieberkopf in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
[David Mathis] "Game changer? Could be ..." David, This is beta software, and from my little bit of testing it seems we can't even begin to discuss "game changing" until they get playback sorted. Many people view playback to be a core feature in an NLE. Still, an interesting experiment...

3 months ago   read more
Re: FCP X or not?
by Charlie Austin in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
[Michael Gissing] "If they used AE instead of Motion then the whole story would probably have been about 7 to Pr." Definitely possible. But if it had been, would you have read it and then made the following comment?: [Michael Gissing] "but that doesn't exactly mean a lot to people...

3 months ago   read more
Re: FCP X or not?
by Franz Bieberkopf in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
[Charlie Austin] "Honestly, one of the reasons I posted this article was to see how quickly someone would come up with a reason that it didn't mean anything." Charlie, You get the forum that you make. Franz....

3 months ago   read more
Re: FCPX 10.1.2 Released!
by Lance Bachelder in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
This is ridiculous! Now it's a separate install? I have to re-intall ALL my plug-ins and half aren't updated so they don't work even after re-install!?! The program is more sluggish than ever and updating a project to new version is makes the project slow as molasses! And don't get...

3 months ago   read more
Re: Death of Aperture-FCPX Next?
by Andy Neil in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
[Mitch Ives] "Seriously? It's not a replacement for Aperture... it'll be an "iToy" version. " Oh, I didn't realize you've seen it already. I thought Apple made all their beta testers sign NDAs? Andy https://plus.google.com/u/0/107277729326633563425/videos...

3 months ago   read more
Re: Death of Aperture-FCPX Next?
by Herb Sevush in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
[Bill Davis] "or shuffling clips around in old style destructive timelines . " Now when did this phrase come into use ? I've noticed it on this forum for the past few months and I'm wondering what exactly it's supposed to mean. I've been working on timelines for almost twenty...

3 months ago   read more
Re: Death of Aperture-FCPX Next?
by Dennis Radeke in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
Touche! ;-) [Bill Davis] "Well Dennis, it isn't as ironic as it would be if I RENTED out training materials and didn't let anyone buy them...but I take your point. ; )" You mean like Lynda.com?...

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Re: Thoughts on 10.1.2
by Oliver Peters in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
[Scott Witthaus] "But what other app gets huge new features with every release?" Premiere Pro. - Oliver Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC Orlando, FL www.oliverpeters.com...

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Re: Death of Aperture-FCPX Next?
by Herb Sevush in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
[Bill Davis] "Language is a living thing. " I see, language is a living thing. And you're trying to differentiate between an NLE that allows you, although it doesn't force you, to do clip overwrites when moving clips around a timeline, with another that doesn't allow you to do it,...

3 months ago   read more
Re: OT: Some posts missing when I log in
by Jeremy Garchow in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
I can't wait until there's the "hide oldie" button so I can hide my posts from myself....

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Re: fcp x
by Steve Connor in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
[Tarquin Boyesen] "after all the time I spent down loading and installing FCP x I am on ebay bidding for FCP 7 , i guess it has made me realise how good the earlier versions of FCP are , not sure why they have attached the word pro to FCP...

3 months ago   read more
Re: fcp x
by Shane Ross in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
Troll. Ignore him. Just trying to stir up same old stale arguments...and get all the same responses from us that are said over and over again on this forum. nothing new...basically spam. Shane Little Frog Post Read my blog, Little Frog in High Def...

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Re: Is it all over?
by John Davidson in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
“The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.” ― Sun Tzu, The Art of War John Davidson | President / Creative Director | Magic Feather Inc....

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Re: Is it all over?
by Marcus Moore in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
There's no winning here. The most recent update didn't have many sexy new features, but very solid pro-workflow oriented changes to media management and XML import/export. In fact, Apple actively avoided mentioning a big list of new generators, transitions, and effects because they didn't feel they were important enough. Complaining...

3 months ago   read more
Re: Is it all over?
by Andrew Kimery in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
[Rich Rubasch] "I so much want to commit to FCP X. I am not convinced yet that Apple is as serious about editing as I am (with my 13 year old company on the line). " My suggestion is not to commit to any single NLE. Pick the one (or...

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Re: Fascinating article on FCP.co today...
by Herb Sevush in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
Alex Gollner "Structure applies to feature films, TV shows, groups of corporate videos on an intranet, legal video depositions, architects’ video proposals or open-ended weekly web series. The more video applications can have these structures encoded in their projects, the better the tools they’ll be able to provide to a...

2 months ago   read more
Re: Destructive edits
by Herb Sevush in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
[Walter Soyka] "Overwriting the connected clip into the primary is destructive to the project data; lifting that clip back up out of the primary does not restore the original edit and connection point -- and in fact adds a new gap and creates a new connection point." In the wider...

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Re: Fascinating article on FCP.co today...
by Walter Soyka in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
[Richard Herd] "It could be a duplicate entry in the table and not necessarily relational." Yes, that's why I said this: [Walter Soyka] "a flat database would require an enormously complex and highly inefficient implementation to support something like this." FCP was written in the mid- to late 1990s. Relational...

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Re: Audio Mix Window - hoping for even more FUN!
by Andrew Kimery in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
[Oliver Peters] "I think Apple's engineers would argue the + or - of a specific color is more intuitive than the color wheel model. Take a look at lab color timing, which is how the Dale Grahn Color iPad app is designed. + values are listed as RGB and -...

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Re: Destructive edits
by Franz Bieberkopf in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
[Walter Soyka] ""Destructive" is probably almost undefined here, because all image editors would have been de-facto "destructive" at their inception a couple decades ago. "Non-destructive" is frequently used to refer to the newer workflows which accomplish the same thing as the original raster-based workflows, but with greater flexibility. But non-non-destructive...

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Analog Metadata
by Franz Bieberkopf in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
… which used to be called "taking notes". This thought started with this recent exchange: http://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/335/71154 [Craig Alan] "... your example ... already comes embedded with metadata ... Other important notes are passed in with a notebook. No advantage to have these in the NLE?" [Herb Sevush] "I do see...

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Re: Analog Metadata
by Jeremy Garchow in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
First, at what stage do you create your index cards? [Franz Bieberkopf] "As someone who still uses a notebook and index cards, I'm wondering how many still use "analog metadata" and how many have migrated from note taking to data (and what tools you use either in the NLE or...

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Re: Analog Metadata
by Herb Sevush in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
[Franz Bieberkopf] "I'm wondering how many still use "analog metadata" " I use two basic forms of "analog metadata." The continuity notes I get at the end of a shoot are an incredible time saver, well worth the cost. I ingest, create multiclips, then go thru my script and assemble,...

2 months ago   read more
Re: ITV studios convenes meeting. basically tells attending avid editors to start using premiere.
by Oliver Peters in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
Ultimately the question Adobe has to answer with Premiere Pro is how well it deals with a wide range of media on large, long-form projects. So far all of the off-the-record comments I've heard are inconclusive. For some, things like very, lengthy relinking and missing media has been problematic. Others...

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Re: Oh dear, we will switch to fcpx!
by Andrew Kimery in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
[Brett Sherman] "Sometimes I wonder if those who can't handle the FCP X timeline have difficulty learning new things. Or they're just impatient. It really was no problem for me. " Yes, so many of the editors that I know that started cutting on physical film and then moved to...

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Re: Oh dear, we will switch to fcpx!
by Herb Sevush in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
[Simon Ubsdell] "Trivial things to countless other users but essential to virtually every editing job that I undertake, and hence non-negotiable must-haves. For me." The most enlightening thing about this forum is the exposure to so many widely varied workflows. Features that are deal breakers for me are less than...

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Re: weird shoes, FCPX, and the sheep barn.
by Walter Soyka in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
[Aindreas Gallagher] "you've hurt my feelings Simon, and worse, you've hurt tilde's feelings." Think about how the poor grave accent feels. Grave accent does all the work, and tilde gets all the credit! Walter Soyka Designer & Mad Scientist at Keen Live [link] Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and...

2 months ago   read more
Future arriving fast.
by Bill Davis in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
Saw this and instantly glanced over at the DSLR backpack that I use for field photography. Wonder how long it will be before I have a similar backpack for my video editing? One or two of these wrapped about a MacPro Tube would be kinda awesome. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxbHpXE4VM0 Know someone who...

2 months ago   read more
Re: Premiere Pro CC versus FCP X
by Andrew Kimery in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
I think anytime someone can correct inaccurate information it adds to the discussion....

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Re: Premiere Pro CC versus FCP X
by Simon Ubsdell in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
[Oliver Peters] "I appreciate trying to keep it on track, but yes, info is always helpful." Isn't this the forum where it's virtually mandatory to have at least a dozen insane (but incredibly interesting) changes of direction per thread? ;-) Simon Ubsdell tokyo-uk.com...

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Re: weird shoes, FCPX, and the sheep barn.
by Jeremy Garchow in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
[Andy Neil] "I'm going to have to unsubscribe to this thread just to get any work done." Apologies. FCPX is a limited use case composting (sic of sic) system made of old cheese, and the whimsical dreams of unicorns. If only it had a tilde blow out window. Are we...

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Re: Apple's ProApps- not a money loosing scenario
by Paul Neumann in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
And just food for thought, how difficult is it to keep talented programmers interested in a project that is inconsequential to a successful company's bottom line? I work for a large tech company and our best and most badass programmers fight to be working on the best and most badass...

2 months ago   read more
Re: Switched...then switched back?
by Tim Wilson in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
[Aindreas Gallagher] "Its the timeline. the secondary storylines, the connected cousins, the no audio paste, the ridiculous white dot, the stupid tilde key. "...

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Premier(e)Pro is the tool of choice in Atlanta.
by Don Walker in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
Premier(e)Pro is the tool of choice in Atlanta, and I have Proof! I took this picture of a box of PremierPro at my aunt's nursing home in Atlanta, Texas, and nowhere in the building did I see anybody using Avid, FCPX or Vegas for that matter. Proof of a growing...

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Re: Switched...then switched back?
by Aindreas Gallagher in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
[Charlie Austin] "It's archaic. ;-)" it is a continual astonishment to me that everything that is busted or half implemented in X is also, by lucky coincidence, archaic and sooooo last century. lads. seriously. X has a crappy dissolve tool. If you had a better one, i suspect you would...

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Re: Switched...then switched back?
by Aindreas Gallagher in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
[Charlie Austin] "If you think he's right in saying audio editing is somehow hobbled in FCP X because of that then both he, and you, are wrong." well no charlie, who wants or needs a workable audio edit dissolve, when you're doing AB audio edits half the day using.... a...

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and finally......
by Steve Connor in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
So to sum up: Premiere Pro CC 2014 - excellent software, amazing speed of development from Adobe and a natural successor to FCP7, only issue is the subscription model that many people don't seem to like. Despite this it's user base is growing. Avid - still the predominant NLE for...

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Re: and continually ......
by Franz Bieberkopf in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
[Steve Connor] "Anything to add?" Steve, Well, they've all been "improving steadily" and have "loyal and growing user bases", so I wouldn't single out FCPX for that. (There's probably an argument that Premiere Pro has improved more and grown more.) Avid's financial uncertainty is probably also worth mentioning, as well...

2 months ago   read more
Re: Sharknado 2 edited on.....(drumroll) Premiere Pro CC
by Oliver Peters in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
Thanks for sharing the workflow and experience. I think far too many people here blow off the validity of feature film editing, because it's not something they do. Certainly most film timelines aren't as layer-intensive as many large corporate projects. But it really is a different type of complexity that...

2 months ago   read more
Re: A Lazy Editor's Audio Workflow
by David Lawrence in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
[Walter Soyka] "Yes, my assumption is that rectified waveforms minimize the display of redundant information, effectively doubling your vertical resolution / ability to display dynamic range. So my question of standard waveforms would be, "Why do you need to see the same information twice?"" Because it's not redundant information. If...

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Re: A Lazy Editor's Audio Workflow
by Aindreas Gallagher in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
we should stop this David. Why are we hammering on this? Oh wait now I remember: http://i.imgur.com/574uWB1.jpg http://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics...

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It's the most wonderful time of the year (SIGGRAPH, that is)
by Walter Soyka in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
All kinds of interesting new research and projects will be popping up over the next couple days! Check out this one: 3D Object Manipulation in a Single Photograph using Stock 3D Models Natasha Kholgade 1, Tomas Simon 1, Alexei Efros 2, Yaser Sheikh 1 1 Carnegie Mellon University 2 University...

2 months ago   read more
Re: There Is No Such Thing as an Asymmetrical Dissolve Transition.
by Bill Davis in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
Enjoy my new asymmetrical signature. Regards, Bi ll Davi s....

2 months ago   read more
Re: FCP X Strikes Again
by Tim Wilson in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
Don't put metal in the Science Oven. (Coupla naughty words in here, but entirely on topic...for this off-topic meme subthread...)...

2 months ago   read more
Cool "one take" video.
by Charlie Austin in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
Well, a bunch of one take shots anyway.Poster's description: "Edited in FCPX with lots of retiming. Filmed with 5DM3 mounted on a Defy G5." Really well done, regardless of the gear... There's a lot going on, worth a full screen look. http://youtu.be/XBH5T9Sfvto ------------------------------------------------------------- ~ My FCPX Babbling blog ~ ~"It...

1 month ago   read more
NFL Films err.. Digital. (not the same ring to it)
by Richard Herd in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/14/sports/football/5-decades-later-nfl-films-goes-digital.html?_r=1 Maybe the COW can get the inside scoop on the workflow. Thanks!...

1 month ago   read more
Re: 10.1.3 now available
by Jeremy Garchow in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
http://youtu.be/q85Tq3C6Bcc...

1 month ago   read more
Re: Now that 10.1.3 Is out
by Bret Williams in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
Like patching tracks, right? :)...

1 month ago   read more
Re: Apple's User Numbers for Final Cut Pro - A History
by Andy Field in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
how many are "I'm buying it because it's the successor to FCP 7" the day it came out (me) and then "What the heck is this?" to "it's on my hard drive but i rarely if ever use it?" Andy Field FieldVision Productions N. Bethesda, Maryland 20852...

4 weeks ago   read more
Re: Apple's User Numbers for Final Cut Pro - A History
by Paul Neumann in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
Slopes or Points: The Debate...

4 weeks ago   read more
The Question - An Update On My Choices In NLEs
by Franz Bieberkopf in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
There have been a few (very few) updates from some participants on where they stand on the "post-revolutionary" landscape and choosing the NLE that they work in. I thought I would add my own brief contribution (as I approach a thousand posts here in the forum). It's been over 5...

3 weeks ago   read more
Re: The Question - An Update On My Choices In NLEs
by David Mathis in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
After reading the original post, I agree with very much everything that was said. Was hoping that Resolve would be a serious contender but it still needs work. Have not yet tried Lightworks, been curious about it but don't know much about the software either. For now FCP X is...

3 weeks ago   read more
Re: The Question - An Update On My Choices In NLEs
by David Roth Weiss in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
[Steve Connor] "Isn't that (i.e. creative decision making and storytelling) the primary focus for ALL Editors?" Well, you would think so, but there are just as many technicians, finishing editors, news cutters, sports cutters, VFX and Mograph pros, etc., to whom the connotation of speed may mean many different things....

3 weeks ago   read more
Re: The Question - An Update On My Choices In NLEs
by Chris Harlan in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
I'm not quite sure I understand your question or questions. But, I--as many who work like me--wear many hats. Sometimes I'm sitting in someone else's chair, sometimes my own. Sometimes its my equipment, sometimes it belongs to them. Tape is no longer a de facto delivery format, and source files...

3 weeks ago   read more
Re: The Question - An Update On My Choices In NLEs
by Walter Soyka in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
ProRes is great, but if you got to wave a magic wand and choose a standard for our entire industry to use to store our moving images on disk, would you really pick a closed and largely platform-specific codec if there were a comparable and more open one available? Apple...

3 weeks ago   read more
Re: The Question - An Update On My Choices In NLEs
by Mark Raudonis in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
[Richard Herd] "Are they putting clauses in the contract that say: here is the footage. Deliver an Avid project file. I" Yes, that is EXACTLY what can happen. Look at some of the delivery requirements from just about any network, and you'll find that there are are specific references to...

3 weeks ago   read more
Re: The Question - An Update On My Choices In NLEs
by Walter Soyka in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
[Charlie Austin] "Scratch does pro Res now as well, but it's not cheap. They do have a subscription option though, or you can rent it for a single day if needed. :-)" I am aware [link] . For the unlicensed route, there's Miraizon and ffmpeg, too. But this is all...

3 weeks ago   read more
Re: The Question - An Update On My Choices In NLEs
by Charlie Austin in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
[Bill Davis] "Replace on Playhead. Frame Matchback. Dynamic Trimming. - I hear editors all the time who just will not give up on these and other items they love and depend on, and never consider that while these things have been crucial to effectiveness in traditional timeline editing, they might...

3 weeks ago   read more
Re: The Question - An Update On My Choices In NLEs
by Walter Soyka in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
FCP7 wasn't bad at animating stills because it was 32-bit. It was bad at animated stills because it was designed to edit video, not animate. For comparison, 32-bit Motion had no trouble at all animating stacks of stills (with effects & lighting) in real-time. Walter Soyka Designer & Mad Scientist...

3 weeks ago   read more
Re: BBC adopts FCP X for news editing!!!!!
by Craig Seeman in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
Aindreas broke down and bought a Creative Cloud subscription. Hell just froze over....

3 weeks ago   read more
Re: BBC adopts FCP X for news editing!!!!!
by Aindreas Gallagher in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
I'm actually in media city at the mo - I'll only say the obvious - engineering software decisions in the BBC aren't exactly monolithic, media city is going premiere, 99% of longform is staying avid, and a lot of people have been saying for a long time that X is...

3 weeks ago   read more
Re: BBC adopts FCP X for news editing
by Emmanuel Tenenbaum in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
Maybe we can finally change this obsolete forum category............. FCPX, point. Emmanuel Tenenbaum http://emmanueltenenbaum.com...

3 weeks ago   read more
Re: The Question - An Update On My Choices In NLEs
by Walter Soyka in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
[Jeremy Garchow] "I am now getting confused as to an "open" standard. " Fair! Maybe I'm not using the right language. I don't care if a standard is free (to implement or to use), but it should be documented, and where IP is concerned, it should be able to be...

3 weeks ago   read more
Re: BBC adopts FCP X for news editing!!!!!
by Craig Seeman in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
[Steve Connor] "Perhaps we should merge both the "or not" forums! Lively discussion on here, tumbleweeds over at the CC or Not forum," It's important to consider why (I suspect) this is happening here under BBC adopts FCPX. It's possible, over time, one may want to switch... and even switch...

3 weeks ago   read more
Re: The Question - An Update On My Choices In NLEs
by Walter Soyka in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
[Jeremy Garchow] "maybe we've beat this to death." That's kind of the thesis of the Jeremy and Walter Show, though, isn't it? Some of my favorite conversations here! [image] Maybe we misunderstand each other here? I like ProRes, I just think it would be even better if it weren't proprietary....

3 weeks ago   read more
Re: BBC adopts FCP X for news editing!!!!!
by Andrew Kimery in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
[James Ewart] "Did this new Adobe subscription model appear after the poorly managed FCPX launch? Was it a "play" to bury FCP do you think? "You've got to come over to us and then we are going to own you" kind of a deal?" The subscription option first appeared in...

3 weeks ago   read more
Re: BBC adopts FCP X for news editing!!!!!
by Aindreas Gallagher in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
[Craig Seeman] "Aindreas broke down and bought a Creative Cloud subscription. Hell just froze over. " ah Seeman - to be fair I was backed right into that on a manic morning. in a figurative trash dumpster with a credit card. Adobe are creating some excellent staged hop skip impediments...

2 weeks ago   read more
Re: adobe begins construction on the edit media deathstar
by Walter Soyka in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
[Helge Tjelta] "The Adobe Anywhere seems to me just like a bunch on internaly build "remote desktops". So there is no wonder this will work on a laptop. Nor am I impressed with 5K playback, thats because there is never a 5K playback going on localy at all... Basicly, if...

2 weeks ago   read more
CineForm and Adobe
by Franz Bieberkopf in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
... of interest to all those who ever asked the question about Adobe and a mezzanine codec. ... and of particular interest to Walter and Jeremy. http://provideocoalition.com/ryoung/story/adobe-video-fall-2014 Fall CC 2014 Preview (ProVideoCoalition) "Full encode/decode support for the GoPro CineForm codec offers users a cross-platform intermediate codec, with full support for...

2 weeks ago   read more
Connected clip features needed
by Oliver Peters in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
1. Tidy-up command. Especially for connected audio clips. Automatically snugs clips up into available empty space under the primary storyline. 2. Command to automatically move connection point of a connected clip from the start frame to the middle of primary storyline clip. Should be selectable for all clips or selected...

2 weeks ago   read more
Re: Apple Event Livestream is kind of a disaster
by Jason Jenkins in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
[Jeremy Garchow] "I'm sure it's 4 bit x2. Displays are full gamut sRGB, though! They also do 1080p60 regular motion. " I heard these cameras have built in phones! That's crazy! Jason Jenkins Flowmotion Media Video production... with style! Check out my Mormon.org profile....

2 weeks ago   read more
Re: Did anyone see the Moviola Webinar on Resolve 11
by Oliver Peters in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
Resolve 11 is very good. Great color corrector. Poor NLE. Editing tools are nice, but real-time performance is sub-standard. - Oliver Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC Orlando, FL www.oliverpeters.com...

2 weeks ago   read more
Re: Great demo of all new Premiere Pro features coming next month
by Devin Crane in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
Getting rid of the subscription would be nice....

2 weeks ago   read more
Re: Blackmagic acquires Fusion
by Walter Soyka in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
[Oliver Peters] "I wonder if we'll see a Mac version of Fusion by next year." That timeframe would be a sign of heavy BMD investment, as the Fusion UI is highly dependent on some very old Windows code. The Linux version of Fusion runs on top of WINE. A few...

2 weeks ago   read more
Re: Blackmagic acquires Fusion
by Walter Soyka in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
[David Mathis] "I would love to see how Adobe reacts as well. This could be the tip of the iceberg. Ya mean I don't need to subscribe to get high-end tools for my studio? :-)" Indeed -- but I do think that BMD's portfolio overlaps way more with Autodesk's M&E...

2 weeks ago   read more
Re: Apple drops ProApps from corporate definition
by Shawn Miller in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
[David Mathis] "I think what could be potentially disruptive to the pro market is if Blackmagic bundles Fusion with their cinema cameras and URSA cameras much like they do with Resolve and Ultrascope. Could a Lite version be in the works with free updates? That could change the landscape. What...

1 week ago   read more
Re: Apple's Corporate Definition Part Deux
by Tim Wilson in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
[Charlie Austin] [Quoting someone else] "Rather, I think Apple Watch is the first product from an Apple that has outgrown the computer industry. " Wow, I think that's way off. Apple dropped "Computer" from its company name in January 2007 . Was that guy not around for that? And by...

6 days ago   read more
Re: Apple's Corporate Definition Part Deux
by Tim Wilson in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
[Aindreas Gallagher] "Five thousand dollar gold watches in an apple store is just wrong. there's no way around it." I disagree completely. Does this Apple store look a place to buy a $5000 watch? In fact, it looks like the best place to buy a $5000 watch in the history...

4 days ago   read more
Re: Apple's Corporate Definition Part Deux
by Andrew Kimery in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
[Tim Wilson] "I disagree completely. Does this Apple store look a place to buy a $5000 watch? In fact, it looks like the best place to buy a $5000 watch in the history of the world. It's insanity NOT to sell $5000 watches there." Until you get inside and are...

4 days ago   read more
Re: Apple's Corporate Definition Part Deux
by Tim Wilson in the Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate Forum
The problem I see is that you guys are using one extreme to write off the absolute mainstream of the thing. Apple isn't building a business on $5000 watches. They're building a business on extending the iOS experience for less than the cost of a pair of Beats headphones. It's...

4 days ago   read more
Re: mTape LTO-6 with thunderbolt?
by Alexander alias C.G. Fell in the Storage Forum
That is so beautiful: being sold on the apple scam, accusing a smart commentator of sneaky sales tactics ;)...

6 months ago   read more

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