Re: editing 24p, 24p adv, and 60i footage

[Sean ONeil] "Editing at 23.98 and THEN going back to 29.97 adds new pulldown with clean, continuous cadence. What's the benefit you ask? Cutting in a 29.97 timeline will destroy the cadence at every single edit point unless all edits are made at the A frame."

Well, I edited a TV series that was shot on Super 16mm, telecined to digibeta and dubbed to DVCAM for injesting into an old Avid 7.1 system. We digitized at 29.97 and edited the show without making sure that we cut on the A frame. If we had to do that, then pacing and reactions would all be off. We cut where we needed to cut, and then onlined the digibetas tape to tape...never had an issue.

[Sean ONeil] "Even if you edit, master, and view the footage at 29.97, shooting it at 24fps still has a completely different look to it vs. shooting at 30fps. Maybe I'm just misunderstanding you, because I cannot fathom how you could disagree with that. Watch a film on TBS on a little 13" TV. Then switch to a rerun of Married With Children. The difference is night and day. And I'm not talking about the color or the grain. I'm talking about the motion."

No, I agree with you here. I am not talking about 24fps film vs 30i video. I am talking about 24P video that shoots 24fps on a 30 frame tape. Performing a 3:2 pulldown on the tape. The tape runs at 29.97 fps but the footage was recorded at 24fps...thus you have the film look. BUT...you can capture and edit this footage at 29.97...just like we did with the TV series...and not have to worry about a-frame edits. It works fine. There is no need to convert to 23.98, edit, then output to 29.97. SURE, you can, but why? You are just, IMHO, adding a step that might lead to problems.

But...if this workflow works for you, fine. I mainly say "stay 29.97" to the people who are new to FCP and editing in general so that they don't get stuck. I have been involved in helping two people who captured their footage at 24fps...TRUE 24fps...and now needed to output to tape and were stuck. They didn't notice...don't know why...that their 24fps footage was stuttering like mad. "Oh, I though that was normal."

If you design a 29.97>23.98 workflow that works...run with it. I am more concerned with making sure that people don't run into issues, especially if they are new, and adding that step might complicate matters.



Shane

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