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Re: After a year has perception of FCPX changed?
by
Jules bowman
on May 23, 2012 at 8:50:58 am
"What's more surprising to me, in retrospect, was that we all saw something so similar when we looked at FCP7."
You see, to me it seems that, limitations aside which could have been fixed over time, FCP was very very very good. My biggest frustration is not having to find a new NLE although that is a drag, but that neither PP6 nor FC10 are as good as editing on FCP. Sure it had flaws and issues but at the same time it had a lot of great sensible little short cuts and features that seem so logical and sensible that them not being in the others almost beggars belief.
Despite being frequently told I'm scared of leaving the safety zone of the past I am not. Watch me for a week in my life you will see I love exploring the new and trying stuff out to see if something is better. But no one will convince me that a track less NLE is a step forward. Even apple have put in things to make it mimic tracks more. I will always, in the back of my mind, consider FC10 but I won't play with it until I have nothing else to do with my free time because at its core it doesn't appeal to me. Throw into the mix it is reportedly buggy, that one needs to learn it and all it's workarounds, that it has poor window layout options, and personally I really dislike the aesthetic of the design and look (too many thumbnails and Nintendo-esque looking design choices for me) then it is still second from bottom on my list of choices, just before iMovie.
PP is far more like my preferred and intuitive way of editing and so I am drawn to it. I really love the flexibility of the windows layouts and they have helped me speed up things. I love that it seems to work with no rendering needed on my machine. But it too falls short when compared with FCP. I don't know or understand what is under the hood, and don't need to because I read and when others who know more than me say it is good I believe them. In fact I don't doubt under the hood FC10 is better than FCP. But PP is missing a lot of the sensible and intuitive short cuts and ways of working that made FCP a true joy. 3rd party plugs also have serious issues at he moment. At least transitions do and unless it sorts that it will never be as good as FCP to me. Not through technical limitations, but through ease and joy of editing. You know, the really important part of the editing process.
For me of the two PP is the one I believe will end up being my replacement. I think no matter what apple fix in FC10 they have thrown the baby out with the bath water and by chasing a certain market, one which is perceived to be broader, they are excluding another market where people who edit simply don't want to do it their way because the 'old way' wasn't old, but rather very good and far from broken.
I have said before FCP has a halo effect because it was used by Pros. And I mean top end names who the world hears about, not pros as in me and Steve and Craig and bill who earn money but no one knows or cares about (apart from our mums of course). I bought into FCP because of that. And as is mentioned in this thread already that halo effect is going. Some of the market apple have chased are already looking down their noses at FC10 because they chucked the baby out with the bath water and the Pros (definition above) aren't interested.
A lot of arguments are that FC10 appeals to one stop shops, to a new generation of editors, to the web 2.0 dynamic etc etc, but on the whole people are not as 22nd century as marketing departments need or want them to be. It's not the £200, £500 or £1000 cost that is the biggest consideration when people who will edit long term and possibly for money make their choice, it is the thousands of hours of their lives they will spend learning and working with that tool and how that tool fits in with both potential collaboration (even if that is getting a job in the future) and perceptions of where that person wants to get to and how they are seen.
What hasn't changed over the last year is that apple decided to leave the game and start another one.
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