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Re: Thank you Apple - and don't change course. Please
by
Bill Davis
on May 4, 2012 at 8:24:14 am
[Chris Harlan]
"[Bill Davis] "Geez, dude. Your slip may not be, but you're arrogance is showing."
What? Because I went to film school? Because I edit for a living? Because I engage in continued education?
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No, because you have a single focus and point of view in these discussions. You purport to represent the "hollywood industrial view" and you do so consistently and clearly by your own writing.
You're the one who invoked AFI seminars and unionization as part of your foundational construct of what constitutes "professional" editing. You used that as a bit of a cudgel to try to make my initial post seem like it was coming from someone who didn't "get" the fact that what I'm arguing for is already so widely incorporated in global editing that X's propagation of it in a low priced tool is dismissible.
I think you're dead wrong in that assessment and it's evidence that you're out of touch with other editing requirements that don't dovetail with your parochial experience in Hollywood.
So it's completely fair for me to point out that your thinking might be every bit as skewed as the thinking of someone like me who isn't saddled with the "industry town" mindset that you espouse.
I'm suggesting readers here consider how new tools like FCP-X might impact an editor who works in the larger arena. You're often trashing it as "not a big deal" largely because you elevate workflows in which it doesn't excel (primarily precisely those large company workflows that hollywood values) and thereby skewing the discussion away form what may well be more universal concerns for working editors in a larger and more ecumenical pool.
I believe that's a completely fair criticism of your posts above.
The readership here will determine for themselves whether my points are valid and whether their experiences better match mine or yours.
Simple as that.
BTW, I wasn't lucky enough to do the film school thing. We hicks out her in Arizona were lucky to get "Radio and Television Broadcasting" in College. So I got sucked into Radio to start my career. But I can likely go toe to toe with you in aggregate hours in the editors chair and "continuing education" in the modern era must be a push since nobody survives without it on the planet as fast as things move today.
Heck, without "continuing education" I likely wouldn't be in the Techniques forum so much trying to help other understand how to operate many of the functions of X they have trouble grasping. So I suppose while I don't have someone tracking my CE credits, I'm doing just fine in that area too!
I only point this out as part of the larger theme that just because you're in Hollywood, don't think there's not some editor in Cleveland who, without the benefits you enjoy of the seat in the "company town" surrounding you - might still be every bit as skilled an editor of the two of us combined.
And if the next editor gets there via X, instead of Legacy, PPro or a Steenbeck, so what?
That's the real point of all this.
"Before speaking out ask yourself whether your words are true, whether they are respectful and whether they are needed in our civil discussions."-Justice O'Connor
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