[Jeremy Garchow] "I see. You're proposing to not mark the range, like a favorite physically marks the range in the thumbnail.
As soon as you touch that clip though, your old range is gone."
Yes, that's essentially correct. It's a different kind of marking. It's not permanent in the same way as extended markers or favorite/keyword ranges. It's specific to the context of the in-process edit. In other words, range shouldn't disappear just because I clicked outside of it. What if I'm working fast and I accidentally click when I didn't mean to. Poof, it's gone. That's lame.
[Jeremy Garchow] "I'm sorry, David. I'm totally lost here. I am reading this as it took years of practice you use in and out?"
No, in/outs were the first thing I learned about editing. I'm talking about a different way of seeing editorially. It's the difference between seeing/feeling the cut while selecting vs defining and assembling content chunks then fine tuning after. In my experience, there's a different mindset at work. Naturally, YMMV. I apologize for not explaining it very well. It's really not about the tool, it's a different way of seeing. Just out of curiosity, what percentage of your time would you say is exclusively devoted to creative editing?
[Jeremy Garchow] "Oh boy. Please stop putting words in my mouth."
(Sigh) here are your words:
[Jeremy Garchow] "It's obvious you haven't tried this.
You should try it. Not just open a clip and hit f, but actually go through and entire edit that takes a week or more.
Learn the keyboard shortcuts. It's not that bad, and perhaps might work differently than what you might be used to in whatever editing NLE you came from before fcpx."
[Jeremy Garchow] "The issue here, is that persistent in and out points do exist in FCPX. You guys want some sort of temporary in and out system, analagous to fcp7, but don't tell Andy that as it has nothing to do with EOL software. "
If as you say, it's obvious that Aindreas hasn't tried it and we need to get used to working differently, why wouldn't that also be true for Larry, since he's arguing strongly with Apple for real in/outs?
I'm just asking you to think about why this is important for a master trainer, experienced editor and FCPX supporter like Larry.
Aindreas and I are saying in/outs are
different than a persistent favorite/keyword range. Favorites/keywords are great but they're not a substitute. It has nothing to do with EOL FCP 7 or any other NLE. In/outs are a basic element of the grammar of editing.
Yes, in/outs contain a range, but they're made with a different intention. There's no need to keep them in an ever growing list. It makes the list cumbersome and meaningless. The fix is simple -- just maintain the yellow selection area or add temporary brackets on objects until the editor intentionally decides to change them.
[Jeremy Garchow] "I have no idea what Larry Jordan knows or doesn't know. It's all new software, and requires a different way of working sometimes. Maybe he doesnt like favorites, but if one could explain them as persistent in and out points by hitting the f key, maybe he'd have a listen? I would say that retaining in and out points in the Event is entirely possible, it just might not work like you expect it to work."
Funny that no matter how experienced the critic -- whether it's Larry Jordan or Oliver Peters -- anyone who points out an obvious missing feature is still holding it wrong. Whatever.
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