Re: Apple engineers versus an editor's ability to set persistent in to out points in their footage.

[David Lawrence] "I'm still not following. Sorting has nothing to do with whether it's a subclip or not.

OK, that's added functionality because the subclip is tagged with the keyword. They're both still subclips though.

Hitting the F key is easy, but that's not the point. Why not simply keep marked In/outs on an object until the editor decides to change them?

The way in/outs are typically used, they're persistent, but disposable. Saving them in a list is unnecessary. If I have to save every in/out I mark as I build an edit, the list would quickly fill with garbage. It doesn't make sense for the way they're used.
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You know, who am I to tell you they aren't subclips? I guess subclips to me, are compared to fcp7s "make subclip" feature which I never use as it's limiting for me. I use extended makerers instead, and favorites is just like that, only better, in my opinion, as they are truly persistent. Favorites (as well as extended makers) are permanent reminders that I liked this part, even I'd I didn't use it right away.

If you don't like of the range goes away and don't want to be bothered with favoriting that range, you could simply add that clip to your timeline in which ever manner you want.

I find that favorites are not subclips, maybe they sort of can be, but as compared to fcp7, much better. If you think they are subclips and act like subclips, then so be it. To each their own. Sorting has everything to do with it, in my opinion.

Favorites are not keywords and are not assigned to a keyword if the clip is not assigned to a keyword. Keywords are blue, favorites are green. Keywords ave a defined name, favorites are just "favorites". You can search a keyword by name, you cannot with favorites, even if you rename them. You can sort favorites either within a collection, or just by event. You can put the clip in list mode and see all of the favorited sections of that clip and still keep the context of the entire clip, or you can sort by favorites to make little favorite bits (sort of like subclips, but without the subclip limits once added to timeline).

I find that hitting f brings a lot more functionality to the table and I'm over the temporary in and out points in the event. I'll admit, I wasn't used to them at first. I much prefer the persistent favorite ranges that are in FCPX today, but it's only my opinion.