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Internal scopes broken for PAL ?
by
saul budd
on Apr 16, 2008 at 12:44:42 pm
I'm curious ...
A question everyone who's saying that the Color's internal scopes are bang on, have you tried working on a PAL project?
I am finding that on Color 1.0.2 with a Kona 3, if you have PAL material, your internal scopes do not match what you see on an external scope if you set your output settings in Color to PAL. They do, however, match what you see on the external scope if you set your output settings to NTSC. Unless I am missing something, this behaviour is very wrong.
You don't even need an external scope or an I/O device to see this, export a PAL quicktime of PAL bars in FCP (it will be clearer if you use the Digital ColorBar 100/0/75/0 bars under generators > more bars and signals) and open them in Color in a PAL project, the vectorscope and waveform are not at all what you would expect (and do not match with the ones in FCP), i.e. nothing hits its target in the Vectorscope, and on the WFM, rather than the expected 'staircase' the magenta has a higher luma than the green.
And it is not only the scopes that are affected, it seems that Color is incorrectly converting PAL into RGB right at the start of the process, making the broadcast safe filter practically useless and grades not quite work as they should (not in a way that you'd be likely to notice if you are just curves, wheels, sliders, etc, but in a way that might annoy a die-hard colourist who 'uses the numbers', or anyone who plays around with the Color FX room extensively)
None of this happens if your clips are NTSC, but it does seem to happen to a much lesser degree with HD (haven't tested this one so much).
I was speaking to someone from an external facility we are dealing with yesterday and they mentioned that they had seen this in 1.0.2 but that "this isn't a problem with 1.0.3" ... I can only assume they are on a beta program.
So, am I missing something? I have hunted all over for a setting that I might be missing, and it's possible that I am completely misinterpreting ... but for me the internal scopes are a complete no go.
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