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tony salgadoCow and explorer quitting
by on Apr 17, 2003 at 4:42:49 am



In the last couple of days I have been having a problem with Microsoft Internet Explorer version 5.2 for MAC and the Cow forums.

Everytime I hit the "change forum" button to surf over to another cow forum Explorer will commit an unexpected quit. It's strange because I have never encountered this problem until this week.
Has the cow software changed recently that would effect certain web browsers?

This problem does not happen when I visit other web forums.

Anyone else have this problem?


Thanks,


Tony


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Marco SolorioRe: Cow and explorer quitting
by on Apr 17, 2003 at 7:04:51 am

It quits on me in IE for OSX, but not in the Change Forum page, but once the new forum tries to load up (also does it on the Related Forums pulldown). I actually don't use IE for the Cow, I use Netscape for the tab feature. Works fine in Netscape.

This should be brought up in the Cowmunications forum to Curtis.

Marco Solorio  |  OneRiver Media


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tonyRe: Cow and explorer quitting
by on Apr 17, 2003 at 2:49:52 pm

same here


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Tony!Re: Cow and explorer quitting
by on Apr 17, 2003 at 5:15:48 pm

I spoke with Curtis about it a few days ago and he thinks it's related to some new banner ads they put up. Unfortunately their is no fix at this time. He suggested I try switching to Safari. I did and Wow! I'm not going back. It is a very cool browser. Even though it is still in beta I have had zero problems with it. Make sure to turn on Tabbed browsing and autofill in the preferences. It loads pages much faster than IE. After a couple of days you'll start learning all of the cool little hidden features that make it even better.

Tony!


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Kathlyn LindeboomRe: Cow and explorer quitting
by on Apr 17, 2003 at 5:58:10 pm

I talked to Curtis as well, and it does seem to be related to those ads -- which came with scripts intact and can't be changed, and since the ads are what keep the lights on in here, there's not much we can do about it.

On the other hand, IE seems to be less and less compatible with Mac OSX. I stopped using it a month or so ago after all of a sudden it wouldn't allow me to reset my prefs. I seem to be permantly stuck with a home page that I no longer want.

But I love Safari. It's now my default browser. Even Netscape seems more usable than IE.

Kathlyn Lindeboom
creativecow.net


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stevethe problem with Safari and this forum
by on Apr 17, 2003 at 6:32:24 pm

The problem with Safari and this forum is that when you are posting you can't press "Q" to quote (it tells you that you can do this at the top of each post). The Q to quote feature works fine in IE, but doesn't work in Safari. Otherwise, I use Safari because its really great. Maybe soemebody on the Cow could make thier code for quoting more compatible with safari??


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mishkaRe: the problem with Safari and this forum
by on Apr 17, 2003 at 7:01:17 pm

[steve] "you can't press "Q" to quote"

you can in Camino (nee Chimera) but the little L button to embed links is invisible in that browser. In Safari too. So the right forum for this type of posts is Cowmunications?


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Marco SolorioRe: the problem with Safari and this forum
by on Apr 17, 2003 at 8:25:05 pm

Yeah the only reason I haven't been using Safari completely is because of the "Q" button not working for quoting. And since the "Q" is my favorite feature of the Cow, I need a browser that supports it. So I still run Netscape on OSX since the "Q" works fine and I really, REALLY like the tab window feature.

[mishka] "So the right forum for this type of posts is Cowmunications?"

This is correct. I've also gone in the Web Design forum to ask things about the site too. Curtis is very active in that forum.

Marco Solorio  |  OneRiver Media


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mishkaRe: the problem with Safari and this forum
by on Apr 17, 2003 at 8:30:13 pm

You may want to try Camino

http://www.mozilla.org/projects/camino/

It is Mozilla but with Cocoa interface. Just a browser though - no mail and other stuff


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Marco SolorioRe: the problem with Safari and this forum
by on Apr 17, 2003 at 8:41:45 pm

Ah yes, I have this installed too! In fact I have several browsers installed on my dock in my little iMac: Netscape, IE, Safari, Camino and Opera! I can't remember why I wasn't fond of Camino (or Opera) but they still sit there on my dock!

I just wished Safari worked with "Q"... it just looks so pretty.

Marco Solorio  |  OneRiver Media


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Kathlyn LindeboomRe: the problem with Safari and this forum
by on Apr 17, 2003 at 9:29:11 pm

[Marco Solorio] "I just wished Safari worked with "Q"... it just looks so pretty."

I, too, really miss the Q feature in Safari. But Curtis has assured me that he'll add that feature as soon as we have a final version of Safari. (But I really love all those cool pc-only features -- I wish we had those available on the mac.)



Kathlyn Lindeboom
creativecow.net


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Rune HansenRe: the problem with Safari and this forum
by on Apr 17, 2003 at 10:36:31 pm

[steve] "The problem with Safari and this forum is that when you are posting you can't press "Q" to quote (it tells you that you can do this at the top of each post). The Q to quote feature works fine in IE, but doesn't work in Safari. "

You can use "Q" in Opera, which is one of my favorite browsers, and I believe the first to ever implement tabbed browsing. The OS X version is pretty nice, but of course it's a commercial product. If you want to perform the same magic in other browsers, just copy/paste the following into the reply window:

<b>[name]</b> <i> quoted text. </i>

I like Opera because it's Norwegian. Who can blame me? :)

And I never quite got comfortable with Safari for some reason.

--rune


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Mitch IvesRe: the problem with Safari and this forum
by on Apr 19, 2003 at 2:59:42 pm

Yes this is a problem. I'm not interested in having my browser dictated by a single forum. COW should NOT wait for a fianl release of Safari... they should be working on it now. Since when has COW ever waited for anything, they generally lead...


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Kathlyn LindeboomRe: the problem with Safari and this forum
by on Apr 19, 2003 at 8:10:49 pm

[Mitch Ives] "Since when has COW ever waited for anything, they generally lead... "

Thank you for your kind words.

[Mitch Ives] "COW should NOT wait for a fianl release of Safari... they should be working on it now."

Curtis works on this site as a parttime volunteer. His changes to the mechanism are because he loves the COW, he loves the people and the community. I don't really think it's fair to demand that he add features to software that is still in beta.

Perhaps, you don't think a site should dictate what browser you use -- but I think the failings in IE are far more "political" than just our site. I stopped using it months ago, when it no longer seemed to work with the latest upgrade of OSX. My problems had nothing to do with our site mechanism. And now that my secure sites (https) seem to work just fine with Safari, I probably won't use IE much at all.

On the other hand, based on Rune's suggestion, I downloaded Opera the other day -- and it looked pretty cool. I might start using it more as well. And occasionally I use Netscape -- which I hadn't used for years, because for awhile IE was the better browser. I just don't think Microsoft cares if their browser works with Apple anymore. So, maybe it's just time to move on.


Kathlyn Lindeboom
creativecow.net


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Mitch IvesRe: the problem with Safari and this forum
by on Apr 19, 2003 at 11:32:39 pm

[Kathy]: Curtis works on this site as a parttime volunteer. His changes to the mechanism are because he loves the COW, he loves the people and the community. I don't really think it's fair to demand that he add features to software that is still in beta.

I say, if he is working as a volunteer, we're damn lucky to get whatever we get...

[Kathy]: Perhaps, you don't think a site should dictate what browser you use -- but I think the failings in IE are far more "political" than just our site. I stopped using it months ago, when it no longer seemed to work with the latest upgrade of OSX. My problems had nothing to do with our site mechanism. And now that my secure sites (https) seem to work just fine with Safari, I probably won't use IE much at all.

I say... no argument there, I dropped IE a long time ago for that reason and others. I went to Omniweb and was using it until Safari. I want to use Safari, but without the Q feature, my responses are hard to read. BTW, the Q doesn't work with Omniweb either...


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Kathlyn LindeboomRe: the problem with Safari and this forum
by on Apr 20, 2003 at 3:39:19 pm

[Mitch Ives] "BTW, the Q doesn't work with Omniweb either..."

But it does work with Opera. :-)

[Rune Hansen] "You can use "Q" in Opera, which is one of my favorite browsers, and I believe the first to ever implement tabbed browsing. The OS X version is pretty nice, but of course it's a commercial product. If you want to perform the same magic in other browsers, just copy/paste the following into the reply window:"

http://www.opera.com/


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Mitch IvesRe: the problem with Safari and this forum
by on Apr 20, 2003 at 6:31:57 pm

Thanks, but I prefer Safari to both Opera and Omniweb... now we just need COW to go with what is surely going to be number 1 in this segment...


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Marco SolorioRe: the problem with Safari and this forum
by on Apr 22, 2003 at 3:11:53 am

Hey Safari now has tabbed windows! Woohoo! Now if Apple could just fix the Q factor ;-)

Marco Solorio  |  OneRiver Media


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Patrick InhoferSafari Build v73 problem
by on Apr 22, 2003 at 1:45:43 pm

Hey Safari now has tabbed windows! Woohoo! Now if Apple could just fix the Q factor ;-)

The latest version of Safari keeps forcing me to resize the window. Otherwise I just get a blank white screen. It only seems to happen here at the Cow.

Are others experiencing this?

--
Patrick Inhofer
editor, compositor, nice guy
applePi Editorial, nyc
Cow forum leader: Kona


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Marco SolorioRe: Safari Build v73 problem
by on Apr 22, 2003 at 5:23:44 pm

I used to have this problem with Safari prior to the last build. They fixed it and the newest v73 build continues to keep my window size setting including the Cow windows. I even tested this for you by assigning the page on startup to go to the Cow and it still worked fine. Maybe you have an old preference file corrupting the newer version???

Marco Solorio  |  OneRiver Media


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