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francois.starkMultiple Serial port alternative?
by on Oct 25, 2002 at 7:50:44 am

So I'm on holiday - in an internet cafe in Cape Town, South Africa. And my partner phones me up to tell me the highveld thunderstorm's lightning last night took out both our FCP systems' stealth serial ports.

The Geethree stealth port comes with the Cinewave, so obviously it is the recommended choice. But are there anybody out there using some way of getting multiple serial ports? FCP can be set up to use multiple ports for multiple decks, so no more serial port patching. naz?

I know our AVID uses a USB-to-dual-serial converter to drive two decks. But some other editing systems don't like using USB to Serial converters. What's good for AVID doesn't always cut it on other systems.

Anyway - please help me enjoy my holiday? Thanks
Francois



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Walter BiscardiRe: Multiple Serial port alternative?
by on Oct 25, 2002 at 9:17:33 am

I think Keyspan makes a newer version of their adapters. I'll check with Leo Ticheli on the FCP forum and find out the name of it.

Walter Biscardi
Final Cut Pro / CineWave Forum Host
Owner/Creative Director, d'Arte media creations
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Walter BiscardiRe: Multiple Serial port alternative?
by on Oct 25, 2002 at 2:15:54 pm

From Leo:

HI Walter!
We use the Keyspan SX Pro. Works perfectly.
L

Walter Biscardi
Final Cut Pro / CineWave Forum Host
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Bart HarrisonRe: Multiple Serial port alternative?
by on Oct 25, 2002 at 2:23:56 pm

[Walter Biscardi] "Keyspan SX Pro"

Walter,

Is that a USB converter of a device like the GeeThree Stealth ?

Bart

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Walter BiscardiRe: Multiple Serial port alternative?
by on Oct 25, 2002 at 2:26:23 pm

It's a PCI slot card that look pretty cool because it provides 4 serial ports. here's the writeup from keyspan.com

Do you need serial ports for your PCI based Macintosh computer? The Keyspan SX Pro Serial Card is a simple, inexpensive, and reliable way to add four serial ports to your Macintosh computer.

The Keyspan SX Pro Serial Card is a serial communications card for use with Mac OS-based personal computers which utilize the PCI local bus. Once you install the card in your Mac's PCI slot, you will have access to four serial ports that support asynchronous or clocked asynchronous RS-422/RS-232 communications at data rates up to 1Mbit/sec.

Unlike port sharing and application juggling solutions, ports on a Keyspan SX Pro Serial Card provide reliable, simultaneous use of multiple serial devices.



Walter Biscardi
Final Cut Pro / CineWave Forum Host
Owner/Creative Director, d'Arte media creations
http://www.dartemedia.com

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Bart HarrisonRe: Multiple Serial port alternative?
by on Oct 25, 2002 at 2:22:48 pm

We've found USB can slip timecode after about five or six minutes. Clips shorter than that usually aren't a problem.

Bart

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CawanRe: Multiple Serial port alternative?
by on Oct 25, 2002 at 7:18:09 pm

This will happen if you are using the older version of the Keyspan serial adapter. We have tested the new version (purple enclosure) and it works great. ProMax actually started shipping KeySpans with all of our new CineWave systems because of some problems that we have found using the GeeThree Stealth in the new DDR machines only.

Don't want to give away all of the secrets but I will let you have this one for free :).

Cawan
SD/HD Specialist
ProMax.com


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Bart HarrisonRe: Multiple Serial port alternative?
by on Oct 25, 2002 at 9:09:45 pm

Thanks for the info Cawan. I checked the Keyspan site regularly for a while, but haven't been there in quite some time. We use our TiBook's for 24P field logging so this will solve one of our problems. Do you really feel comfortable using it day-to-day in a CineWave system ?

Bart

P.S. Deyson says hi. How you doing with Shake ?

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cawanRe: Multiple Serial port alternative?
by on Oct 26, 2002 at 12:05:04 am

KeySpan:
Yes we feel really comfotable working with the keyspan on a day to day basis. The new version of the keyspan hardware is a 150% improvement over the older one. We would have never looked at the keyspan if we didn't encounter problems with the GeeThree Stealth. Personally I prefer it on the new machines because its easier to move from one machine to another and you don't loose a PCI slot (new DDR machines only). It also has two ports that let you toggle between multiple devices. We have clients that find this feature really useful.

Shake:
I wish I had better news to report on Shake but I don't. After the week of intense training I was all geared up to sell some systems. I am still working on selling our first system. I will have to get in touch with Deyson on fo these days.

Miranda:
Have you saw the new Miranda HDSDI to FireWire bridge?. I am at the SMPTE show where they are demostrating it. Its great!. The unit will convert timecode,audio, and video over firewire directly from a feed out of the camera. This will enable you to edit on the set with the orginal timecode.

I know that there are other ways to accomplish the same thing but this device just looks C O O L. Cawan reporting from the SMPTE show.

Cawan
SD/HD Specialist
http://www.promax.com


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Bart HarrisonRe: Multiple Serial port alternative?
by on Oct 26, 2002 at 3:32:37 am

Cawan,

Does it work okay with CineAcquire ??

Bart

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Bart Harrison
Multimedia Programming America
The HD Suite

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Apple, Shake, CineWave, Kona, & Rorke SAN
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francois.starkRe: Multiple Serial port alternative?
by on Oct 27, 2002 at 5:30:35 pm

Just returned from holiday - both the FCP machines had their serial ports replaced by gport boards in my absence. Seems to work fine. Will be put to a stress test tomorrow - biggish project.

Thanks for all the info - could come in handy later.


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Rune HansenShake
by on Oct 28, 2002 at 3:01:59 am

[ Cawan ]Shake: I wish I had better news to report on Shake but I don't. After the week of intense training I was all geared up to sell some systems. I am still working on selling our first system. I will have to get in touch with Deyson on fo these days.

After having run Shake on PC hardware for a while, I was really all Fire and Lava when I got my hands on a OS X copy, and I have to admit that it's a strange and unfulfilling sensation.

The biggest let-down was that the Tremor interface ("shake -gui 1" on the PC) is not available on the Mac version. This really hurts, because the Tremor interface makes all the difference in the world as far as workflow -- it gives you much bigger windows and much better access to the tools you're using, because the tools are available in a pop-up fashion, and also the other windows come up as tabs. This just has to come back... Please? Basically, Shake UI is good for writing expressions (you get a small input field for each variable) but the Tremor interface is friendlier for day-to-day work... Tremor interface needs at least 1600x1200 resolution, though, with 1900 definitely recommended.

The other immediate reaction was "Gee, this feels sluggish!" -- where Shake has always been extremely, ridiculously, wildly fast, even with huge huge files, this felt awkwardly slow. Stuff like file access on a TGA sequence or even a QuickTime file feels slower, and simple functions like blur and even 2D moves on a node feels slower. This was comparing a dual Xeon with a dual 1.25 lava box. Kudos as always go out to Black Magic for the Windows codec for reading CineWave-compatible QuickTimes -- that really helped out a lot sometimes. :P

Anyway, the truth is that I haven't really had time to really sit down and time scripts, but I will make a script and render it out on the two machines just to see what differences there are, time-wise.

Another frustration is that Apple doesn't have a demo version of Shake available for download -- this was always incredibly cool with Nothing Real, they always let you download and evaluate the software before splashing out the $10k for it. Apple give you very poor information on the http://www.apple.com/shake/ website, and I think that's not helping at all...

Anyone else who already knew the program on PC, tried Shake on X? What have your experiences been?

I know this isn't CineWave-related, but there isn't a Shake board on here. That's my excuse for now.


--rune


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Bart HarrisonRe: Shake
by on Oct 28, 2002 at 4:34:21 am

[Rune Hansen] "Another frustration is that Apple doesn't have a demo version of Shake available for download -- this was always incredibly cool with Nothing Real, they always let you download and evaluate the software before splashing out the $10k for it."

You can get a temporary license from any member of the Apple Pro Film/HD reseller channel and if you buy it it's only $5000.

Bart

P.S. I believe there's a Shake forum comming soon to a cowmunity near you.

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Rune HansenRe: Shake
by on Oct 28, 2002 at 8:24:00 pm

[ Rune Hansen ] "Another frustration is that Apple doesn't have a demo version of Shake available for download -- this was always incredibly cool with Nothing Real, they always let you download and evaluate the software before splashing out the $10k for it."

[ Bart Harrison ] You can get a temporary license from any member of the Apple Pro Film/HD reseller channel and if you buy it it's only $5000.

Hey. I know about the temp licences (we're being certified for the Pro Film/HD stuff now). I also know that it costs $5k now (on Apple Hardware -- it's still $10k on IRIX and it's only available as an upgrade for Windows) but I was reminiscing about the old days. I know several people who got started on Shake because they downloaded the demo and tried it out, and then talked their boss into checking it out. I think the grassroot-movement behind Shake was quite important for the success of it...

I'm mostly frustrated because it seems a bit slower on the Mac than it does on my PC (not high end PC vs highest end Mac) and that's not a good sign...

Oh, and for the Tremor interface, apparently it's there (although the manual claims otherwise) but it's not supported. Wheee! That made me a very happy camper!

The cowmunity is going to be nice, by the way. The Highend board has really gone downhill lately. :)


--rune


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Dean NurscherRe: Shake
by on Oct 28, 2002 at 11:50:49 pm

Hi guys,

I read your posts with interest and agree a Shake forum would be great.

I think Shake really highlights the dilemma that Apple are in at the moment. Apple are slowly knocking off all the things that have been holding them back (in many markets, not just the Pro creative market) with a great OS and great s/w. Their poor h/w performance has got to be sorted though. I believe this will be a huge stumbling block for users to adopt Shake on Mac, afterall one of the primary motivators to use Shake was it's unmatched performance particularly with film-res stuff. Current Mac h/w just will not cut it for these facilties.

I think you'll find Shake is still pretty low-key in terms of Apple's marketing efforts, they know the above and more time will mean they can integrate more of their s/w features and work Shake more into a product with an Apple look and feel. I'd imagine s/w engineering resources on Shake would be pretty high at the moment. If they time their run we'll see these new s/w devs close to the release of new higher performance h/w in 2003.

Whichever way you cut it Apple's s/w offerings in this space are great now. I just can't wait to see what they do with them......

Regards

Dean

Dean Nurscher
Future Reality
Sydney, Australia


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Rune HansenRe: Shake
by on Oct 29, 2002 at 3:46:49 am

[ Dean Nurscher ]afterall one of the primary motivators to use Shake was it's unmatched performance particularly with film-res stuff. Current Mac h/w just will not cut it for these facilties.

Yeah. I've run it with a lot of HD material (not even 2K) and on the PC it's totally astonishing how fast it runs.

I realised why the Tremor interface isn't "supported" on OS X by the way -- it totally screws up the general interface of everything, hanging on top of menus and dialog boxes. Oops. Just stay away from this on X.

And I agree -- Apple have bought a LOT of very cool intellectual property, and we have yet to fully feel the results of this. They by far have the coolest software out there -- now all we need is to wait for the hardware to catch up.

Exciting times, anyway, but also very frustrating.


--rune


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Bart HarrisonRe: Multiple Serial port alternative?
by on Oct 28, 2002 at 5:09:47 pm

[Cawan] "This will happen if you are using the older version of the Keyspan serial adapter. We have tested the new version (purple enclosure) and it works great."

The Keyspan website doesn't seem to have any information on the updated adapter. The one we tested and had problems with was the USA-28x twin serial adapter released July 1999.

Are you sure this is a Keyspan device you're talking about ?

Bart

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Apple, Shake, CineWave, Kona, & Rorke SAN
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