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JOHN MARSHALL0 IRE levels during transitions
by on Oct 9, 2003 at 3:38:48 pm

I was still having some 0 IRE problems with my system (fcp3 igniter 6.03) but i found the culprit. I was using a blank are in the video time line for black in between some shots. If you pause the time line in this area you get the correct IRE but if you play the time line it goes to zero. I just added a black pict to the blank areas on the time line and the problem has been solved.

john in austin


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Steven EscobarRe: 0 IRE levels during transitions
by on Oct 9, 2003 at 5:30:39 pm

John:

Thanks for that... I've been having problems with transitions expecially dissolves since FCP3 and now on FCP4, the problem still extists. Why does it do that to begin with? I'm going to try doing what you suggested.



Steven Escobar

G4 1.25MHz Dual MDD
1.25 RAM
IgniterX RT w/component
QT 6.03
OS X.2.8
FCP 4.02
Medéa drives 120G SCSI, 240G RT, 340 G RT
Igniter 6.0.3


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David BattistellaRe: 0 IRE levels during transitions
by on Oct 9, 2003 at 6:19:21 pm



I hope Aurora support is reading this because this should not be the case at all.

David


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Michael AlbertsRe: 0 IRE levels during transitions
by on Oct 10, 2003 at 12:08:29 am

[David Battistella] " hope Aurora support is reading this because this should not be the case at all.
"


This shouldn't be the case if you have your Igniter MJPEG or Uncompressed codec settings set to 0-255 and not 16-235. In the Audio/Video settings double click on your Sequence Preset, then select the Advanced button and then click Options. This should be at 0-255. Is it? If it's already set there let me know and I'll try to come up with another answer. But this should do it.


Michael Alberts
Ambidextrous Productions, Inc.


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Steven EscobarRe: 0 IRE levels during transitions
by on Oct 10, 2003 at 3:12:17 pm

As far as I know, all my sequences have been 0-255 and never changed but I always have a shift during playback on transitions.

Steven Escobar

G4 1.25MHz Dual MDD
1.25 RAM
IgniterX RT w/component
QT 6.03
OS X.2.8
FCP 4.02
Medéa drives 120G SCSI, 240G RT, 340 G RT
Igniter 6.0.3


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Scott DavisRe: 0 IRE levels during transitions
by on Oct 10, 2003 at 3:38:16 pm

Michael, is there any reason to set it to 16-235?

Scott Davis


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John MarshallRe: 0 IRE levels during transitions
by on Oct 10, 2003 at 9:00:03 pm

The project is set up with 16 to 235. I checked the sequence and the capture settings and they are 16 to 235. I have not tried this with 8 bit uc but I can guarantee you that this is the case with mjpeg. I have the setting with lower field first and no limit on the rate. I will do a test with upper field first next week. Perhaps that is why it defaults to upper field after installation. I have a Techtronics 1700 series vector/waveform scope and I can reproduce this at will. Just put a little space in between two shots and use a cross dissolve out and into the next shot. Render the effects and play thru the area and the waveform will dip to 0 ire. Pause in that area and it is right at 7.5

Maybee this qulifies me to be a beta tester?

john in austin.



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Aurora SupportRe: 0 IRE levels during transitions
by on Oct 11, 2003 at 1:47:05 am

The "RGB Range" setting is global for the specific CODEC. It is not part of a sequence, capture, or render setting. If you click the QuickTime "Options..." button for an Aurora CODEC, you set it for ALL instances of that codec. If you click the "Load Factory Defaults" button on the Advanced tab of the Ignition PrefPane, you set ALL Aurora CODECs to 0-255. This is actually detailed fairly well in the OS X version of the IgniterX Manual. There are a few instances where you would want to use 16-235, but only when moving RGB data which is already scaled (ie: from a windows AVI file) into an FCP sequence.

- Mike


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John MarshallRe: 0 IRE levels during transitions
by on Oct 11, 2003 at 2:04:02 am

Does this affect the dip to 0 ire?

John in Austin.


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Mike StrovenRe: 0 IRE levels during transitions
by on Oct 12, 2003 at 2:53:50 am

Yes.
What happens is this:
When you open an FCP sequence, Final Cut Pro does the following two operations:
1) Looks at the compression format for the sequence to determine if it is using a compressor that the current install supports. (For instance, you'd get a codec error if the sequence was created using an Aurora uncompressed format, but you were opening it on a machine without our board or codec.)

2) If the codec is okay, FCP hands 3 RGB frames to the compressor: a) a black slug. b) a single frame of SMPTE color bars c) the blue graphic that says, "unrendered". If the RGB range is set 16-235, the codec is being told that incomming RGB data is "pre-scaled", and that RGB values of 16 are to be mapped to YUV values of 16. Thus, RGB values of 0 get mapped to 0 in YUV space, resulting in a 0IRE black.

Now, inside a sequence, any empty portion of the timeline, or any placed black slug, results in FCP pumping out YUV result of the previously compressed RGB black slug. So, if you have the RGB range set to 16-235 when you open a sequence, all black or empty areas are output at 0 IRE.


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John PaleRe: 0 IRE levels during transitions
by on Oct 13, 2003 at 12:51:48 am

I can vouch for what Mike is saying. I experienced this problem earlier in year. Making certain that everything was set at 0-255 solved it.

Unless I am mistaken, if you have digitized anything with the codec set to 16-235, you will need to re-digitize that material with the codec set correctly.

Also note, that you cannot save this codec setting as part of an easy setup. If you change it for any reason, you need to change it back before proceeding.

Power Mac G4 Quicksilver Dual 800
768 mb RAM
FCP 4.02
MacOSX 10.2.8
Quicktime 6.3
Igniter X SDI RT
driver 6.07
Huge Systems MediaVault 400GB
ATTO UL3D
ATTO Driver 1.1, firmware 2.0


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Mike StrovenRe: 0 IRE levels during transitions
by on Oct 13, 2003 at 3:03:45 am

Actually, the Range setting will only affect RENDERS from RGB space. All of your YUV-captured material should be fine.


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