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Jason RodriguezHardware VS Software encoders
by on Dec 29, 2002 at 7:11:01 pm

Can anyone give me pros and cons Hardware encoders vs. software? I am using Media 100 and DVDSP.

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David Roth WeissRe: Hardware VS Software encoders
by on Dec 29, 2002 at 7:16:15 pm

Here's the short and simple answer:

Hardware = fast & expensive

Software = slow & cheap


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Jason RodriguezRe: Hardware VS Software encoders
by on Dec 29, 2002 at 7:24:46 pm

Is the quality in both comparable, or are you paying extra for speed. I have more time then money.

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David Roth WeissRe: Hardware VS Software encoders
by on Dec 29, 2002 at 7:38:57 pm

Jason,

Most of us do have more time than money these days, especially now that the bad economy has left the media business in ruin.

There is precious little (if any) difference in output quality --that really should not be a consideration. Hardware encoders are essentially for high volume, high budget situations where speed is the essential variable. They're a great luxury if you can afford them.

David


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Noah KadnerRe: Hardware VS Software encoders
by on Dec 30, 2002 at 1:07:26 am

I respectfully disagree- the high end hardware encoders like the Sony and Zapex blow away the software encoders in speed, quality, and bitrate efficiency. You are paying for all three- not just speed. There are few if any Hollywood releases done without a hardware encoder. That being said- the PC encoders like TMPG and Cinemacraft offer great quality and efficiency at a cost of speed.

Noah


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Jason RodriguezRe: Hardware VS Software encoders
by on Dec 30, 2002 at 4:58:26 am

Do you feel there are any hardware encoders that are good for mac?

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Noah KadnerRe: Hardware VS Software encoders
by on Dec 30, 2002 at 6:16:07 am

Sure the Sonic encoders are great but they are $$$$. It would be much smarter just to buy a PC and then you have more choices- assuming you want to spend a few thousand $ for your encoding.

Noah


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Tyler A. HawesRe: Hardware VS Software encoders
by on Jan 2, 2003 at 9:07:06 pm

[David Roth Weiss] "There is precious little (if any) difference in output quality --that really should not be a consideration. Hardware encoders are essentially for high volume, high budget situations where speed is the essential variable. They're a great luxury if you can afford them."

I think this is about as far from true as can be. Perhaps speed is the biggest concern when considering a prosumer encoder in the <$4000 range, but the story is much different for professional encoders. There is a very large discernible difference in quality between professional hardware encoders and software encoders, and quality should be the PRIME consideration in your choice.

It is true that high-volume production facilities will likely be hardware based, but the real-time performance often has little to do with their choice for feature film encoding. In actuality, feature film compressionists will do intensive quality assurance on their encodes that dwarfs the extra time a software encode would take. Besides which, they have the budget to afford dozens of computers set up as an encoding "farm" if that was the only consideration. Also, even high-end hardware encoders can take several times the length of the source to finish encoding when taking advantage of the highest quality settings (they do several passes).

Those QA steps are among the things that they currently do not get from software encoders (such as the ability to do a side-by-side A/B comparision of the source footage and the encode using machine control and video output, or segment re-encoding that allows you to selectively up the bit rate on GOPs that have artifacts in a VBR encode...). But there are many other reasons, including quality that is not achievable in commercial software at this time.

There are usability issues, such as the ability to encode directly from a tape source, to perform an inverse-telecine pass, to force GOPs, etc. Many of these could find a software solution, but so far have not been implemented in software. (To be accurate, it is indeed software that is responsible for many of these advanced features. Indeed, software is the ONLY difference between a $10,000 SD-1000 and a $25,000 SD-2000 encoder. But that is software coupled with a card, so we *call* it a "hardware" encoder.)

There are some excellent software encoders on the market, though not a lot. ProCoder at $699 is one of the most outstanding, especially considering its flexibility and versatility. You can achieve encodes rivaling entry-level professional encoders (~$5,000) from it. Similar quality can be found in a few other apps, such as TMPGenc. But a cinema-quality encoder like an SD-2000 or Vizaro is not endangered because of these by a long shot. I don't think it's likely that they ever will be, because the developers don't seem interested in adding the remaining features for such a small market.



Tyler A. Hawes
Audio Intervisual Design

18 Years Integrating for Film, Television, DVD & Music Production
West Hollywood, CA: (323) 845-1155


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David Roth WeissRe: Hardware VS Software encoders
by on Jan 2, 2003 at 9:23:18 pm

Tyler,

Oops!!! I was called to the carpet for this already and I admit having made several mistakes in my earlier post. This is a tough crowd around here with every level of user under the sun, and there's no doubt about it, where DVD is concerned one size certainly does not fit all...

David


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Tyler A. HawesRe: Hardware VS Software encoders
by on Jan 3, 2003 at 7:17:39 pm

Well after Noah softened you up a bit I couldn't resist a bit more abuse. More whippings and random executions please!




Tyler A. Hawes
Audio Intervisual Design

18 Years Integrating for Film, Television, DVD & Music Production
West Hollywood, CA: (323) 845-1155


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Per ThorvaldsenRe: Hardware VS Software encoders
by on Dec 30, 2002 at 12:58:20 am

Not ENTIRELY true. It still goes for Macs, but with the newest Pentium 4s the Main Concept encoder rivals the speed of hardware encoders - very decent quality AND low price.


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