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Stacy RothwellSony monitor with DV inputs
by on Aug 14, 2004 at 3:24:28 am

I just got a Sony PVM-14L5 with the BKM-155DV card.

This card accepts IEEE-1394 video & Audio inputs.

So far, so good. If I plug my camcorder in, it works great. If I plug my PC into the monitor, the PC doesn't "see" the monitor, therefore Premiere will not output via the firewire cable.

PLEASE tell me a $3000 monitor is not a boat anchor. Does anyone have any tricks or is there a way to make Premiere just spit video out without actually connecting to something?

Does anyone know of a device driver for this monitor (actually the 155 option card). But, if the PC doesn't even register ANYTHING, a device driver probably wouldn't help anyway.

Thanks for any help......


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Craig SeemanRe: Sony monitor with DV inputs
by on Aug 14, 2004 at 5:43:57 am

Not the answer you're looking for exactly but you could use a Sony DSR-11 deck for under $1700 and take the RCA video out and hook it to an RCA>BNC adaptor.


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Blast1Re: Sony monitor with DV inputs
by on Aug 14, 2004 at 5:55:53 am

What version of Premiere are you using? if Ppro just setup the project setting-> general-> playback settings and check play video on DV hardware, I've done it with a passive converter.


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Michael MunkittrickRe: Sony monitor with DV inputs
by on Aug 18, 2004 at 7:49:45 pm

Two things to check.

First, make sure that your television is on prior to opening Premiere. This will insure that Premiere "sees" the connection and allows output.

Second, check your output settings and select "generic DV device" as your output device. More often than not, Premiere tries to assume what type or brand of device is attached which causes more problems that it's worth.

What do you think of the monitor? I was due to review one right before I went under the knife and I didn't get to see it hands-on. Does it have two connectors or did they finally opt for the single connection? There was supposed to be another version with an input selector with touch controls...but I've been out of the loop so long that I forgot to follow up with them.


Michael Munkittrick
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Spiral Design Studios/DieselVFX

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andreRe: Sony monitor with DV inputs
by on Aug 18, 2004 at 9:52:26 pm

Why would your computer need to see an output device like a monitor? Just play pour footage to the 1394 output and select the 1394 input on yr monitor. That's what I do with my DVD stand-alone recorder (which has an IEEE 1394 input) when I want to record footage on DVD.


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Michael MunkittrickRe: Sony monitor with DV inputs
by on Aug 19, 2004 at 1:31:49 am

Your output device must be recognized, or "seen" just as your input device must be recognized in order for proper delivery of the digital signal. For the most part, all Sony iLink/IEEE-1394a products are incorporated into the Adobe library of presets as well as most other editing software, and all to often as with most Sony products, no special settings are necessary. However, there are instances that require manual tweaking of the input and output settings to get a viewable image. My thoughts were that this was, in fact one of those cases.


Michael Munkittrick
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Spiral Design Studios/DieselVFX

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andreRe: Sony monitor with DV inputs
by on Aug 19, 2004 at 10:57:51 am

I just verified once again because it is some time ago that I burned a bunch of DVD+R's on my stand alone Philips DVDR80 which has a 1394 input. I used to use a Dell portable with Ulead MSP6.5. I recently configered APP7.0 also on this PC. I rechecked both NLE's to playback and record to my DVD recorder without any problem nor "recognition" issues. I never used APP before for recording on this recorder and this worked flawlessly. So, like I wrote, no recognition is needed if you don't need to steer the output equipment. If a .AVI file is being played back in one of these editors it allways output 1394 data which can be displayed/recorded on external devices.


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Michael MunkittrickRe: Sony monitor with DV inputs
by on Aug 23, 2004 at 12:54:32 pm

I'm not speaking to the potential of the ideal situation but instead the possible problems that this individual might be having with his system. Certainly, there are a lot of systems, most in fact that will never require any special modifications or "steering". However, that might be an issue for this particular user being that it is pretty common with Firewire-type output devices so I thought that it might be wise to suggest all of the possibilities for the type of problem he might be having instead of assuming that his system was any specific type such as your Dell, which, by the way are known to be completely compatible in most circumstances except when using Adobe Premiere 6.5 or older.

And just for future reference, there are times when I've used my Main Concept (or other aftermarket) codec in Premiere 6.0 or 6.5 where it took a few seconds for the editor to display any output until it found the output device. If I set it up correctly prior to utilizing my timeline everything operates smoothly until I decide to change my output device. Otherwise I set it once and use it forever the way it works.


Michael Munkittrick
Managing Creative Director
Spiral Design Studios/DieselVFX

Forum COWmunity leader for:
Sony DV
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andreRe: Sony monitor with DV inputs
by on Aug 23, 2004 at 3:11:41 pm

I still don't understand your concerns/experiences. If a PC with DV compatible HW and SW plays back an AVI file and there is no(asynchronous) feedback from the connected device, the (isosynchronious) DV data is permanently available unless the program is being set (locked) to a specific output device (periferal) which is not the actual one. A display, a format convertor... are not considered to be a computer periferal (no controlling commands needed) so there is no setting/driver involved.


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Michael MunkittrickRe: Sony monitor with DV inputs
by on Aug 24, 2004 at 6:17:56 pm

"Compatibility" is the issue and unfortunately, that seems to be the problem above. My point is that some computers DO require special drivers to work with specific hardware IEEE-1394 devices with a given operating system or software. It's not the computers problem specifically, but instead the software not recognizing the device.

Some devices, namely the VX-1000 and some of the rare, but still used VX-700s are an argument in my favor. Many people who've "upgraded" to Windows XP must download the service pack for XP that installs the correct driver for the IEEE-1394 board to work with that camera specifically while XP works perfectly with almost any other device without the need for installation of the service pack updates. By the same token, and what the user above may be experiencing is advancements in the IEEE-1394a compatibility specifications that don't necessarily provide complete compatibility with all new devices. Firewire provides a relatively trouble-free connection when the devices being connected are designed and built to current specs, but with advancements come issues of compatibility, hence the problem with the older VX-1000 cameras. Do you see the issue now?


Michael Munkittrick
Managing Creative Director
Spiral Design Studios/DieselVFX

Forum COWmunity leader for:
Sony DV
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andreRe: Sony monitor with DV inputs
by on Aug 24, 2004 at 7:03:25 pm

Agree about camera's and other devices which potentially need steering and the "device control" is not turned off in the APP preferences. A monitor (original problem) is interpreted as a "listener" in the "talker listener mode" of the 1394a protocol. So the computer goes in broadcast mode this means is spitting out DV data in the blind to all the connected "listeners. Nothing is being checked or fed back, just like a camcorder in play mode connected to a firewire device"(monitor, recorder..)


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Matthias KranichRe: Sony monitor with DV inputs
by on Sep 4, 2004 at 10:21:28 pm

I am using the 155 input card with a pvm14l4 and final cut pro hd. same problem there. also the fan of the card is damned noisy which is very disturbing. maybe you have to wait for the next version of premiere?


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