| witch reference monitors for video editing
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 | witch reference monitors for video editing
by Core on Aug 21, 2002 at 12:18:11 pm |
Witch monitors should I use for my editing
I do mostly docs and use a dvrexRT
Someone in an other forum suggested Event 20/20 BAS , KRK, Tannoy, Genelec .
Core
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• | | | |  | Re: witch reference monitors for video editing by DSE on Aug 21, 2002 at 3:11:26 pm |
I strongly recommend the MAudio series of monitors. Genelec 1029's are great too, we have both. I love the Maudio, great sound in small and affordable package.
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• | | | |  | Re: witch reference monitors for video editing by Mazuroo on Aug 21, 2002 at 4:38:54 pm |
Core,
The Genelec's are the way to go; I also really like the Tannoy System 800 actives. Good monitors will cost you over 500 bucks a piece, as a general rule of thumb.
You will probably never need massive low end response or perfomance from your speakers, so go with the smaller Genelecs (1029a)
If you have clients in your room a lot, it is nice to have a recognized name on your speakers.
Go with active speakers, it forgoes the amp matching, cross-over and bi-amping problems.
We have a pair of 20/20's in our Avid DS/HD room for monitoring; and Tannoy System 800a's in our 5.1/stereo audio post (800's for LCR, 600's for LrRr, and a ps115 sub). We don't do any audio work on the Avid, that is what audio post is for; I do find that the 20/20's are a bit bass heavy.
-tm
Mime is money!!
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• | | | |  | Re: witch reference monitors for video editing by Peter Perry on Aug 21, 2002 at 8:44:48 pm |
I do love the Genelecs.
Peter
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• | | | |  | Re: witch reference monitors for video editing by John Hartney on Aug 22, 2002 at 2:13:10 am |
another vote for the Genelecs
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• | | | |  | Re: witch reference monitors for video editing by Core on Aug 22, 2002 at 11:22:54 am |
So I have to check out the Genelecs .
Any idea's for a vo mic someone from an other forum suggested the Alesis 3630
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• | | | |  | Re: witch reference monitors for video editing by Kevin Sio on Aug 22, 2002 at 12:14:46 pm |
The Mackie 824's and 624's are nice too. I have the 824's and love em
Kevin
Kevin Sio
Videographer/Editor
Corporate Design Dept.
Niagara Mohawk
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• | | | |  | Re: witch reference monitors for video editing by John Hartney on Aug 22, 2002 at 10:27:54 pm |
I agree with Kevin, the Mackie's are excellent speakers, too.
I use an Electrovoice RE27 for almost all my voice over work and love it. It has a warm, full sound that appeals to me, and is one of the most durable mics made.
Best,
John Hartney
Fox Valley Digital Video
847.608.1357
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• | | | |  | Referring to the Alesis 3630 comment by Marco Solorio on Aug 23, 2002 at 9:23:27 pm |
[Core] "Any idea's for a vo mic someone from an other forum suggested the Alesis 3630"
I was referring to the Alesis 3630, which (as I mentioned in the other forum) is a compressor/limiter/gate. If you're doing a lot of VOs I'd get one, but you must learn how to use it or you will sqaush your audio (or in opposite, do nothing to the audio). The 3630 is on the cheapy side (on sale for about $100 at Guitar Center) but good for quick and dirty stuff. If you want really clean compressed audio, you can spend a LOT more money, but the 3630s aren't that bad (especially for quick VO work in a simple edit suite).
I know a few people that can do VOs in their edit suite, but say "this person is always 'peaky' or the levels are never balanced." This is because they aren't using a compressor and this would solve their problems. A lot of edit suites don't have a compressor in their rack for VOs and I think it's essential that one is in place. Just my personal feeling on the matter. This is especially true when recording VO straight to hard disk.
Marco Solorio | OneRiver Media
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• | | | |  | Re: Referring to the Alesis 3630 comment by DSE on Aug 23, 2002 at 9:28:30 pm |
The Alesis 3630 is a horribly noisy compressor, but works if you are on a tight budget. For the same cost, you can get a single channel DBX unit, or a single channel Rolls unit that will be much cleaner.
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• | | | |  | Re: Referring to the Alesis 3630 comment by Marco Solorio on Aug 24, 2002 at 2:37:56 am |
Douglas, I agree that the 3630 is a bit dirty, but for those doing corporate work and only want to spend $100, this is good buy (as I briefly mentioned in my initial post, and agree with you on). To be honest, I never had much luck with the DBX compressors (the low end units) and aquired more noise (and peaks) than I did with the cheapy 3630. I've never had the chance to use a Rolls compressor.
On that note, has anyone ever tried the new Alesis CLX-440? Is it another "cheap" line up, or is there some quality in there? And since we're talking Alesis here... what about the PEQ-450... any juice on this unit?
Marco Solorio | OneRiver Media
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• | | | |  | Re: Referring to the Alesis 3630 comment by Mark Simpson on Aug 24, 2002 at 5:14:49 am |
Ahhhhh... I knew that number sounded familiar. I actually was dumb enough to buy one. Can't think of 'anything' I would use it on, and it's not worth selling. The guy who designed the color scheme should be lynched publicly (you can't read it even in good lighting. I consider it to definitely be the worst thing that Alesis ever made.
There was a thread aksing about headroom the other day. Well the 3630 doesn't have any. It's terrible, and that's coming from someone who has to put up with a lot of budget equipment in his studio (due to the lack of budget).
However, for about $200 you can get the RNC 1773 from (RNC stands for "Really Nice Compressor" :) FMR Audio. You won't be able to touch the quality of this compressor with anything under five times it's price. It's the best kept compressor secret out there.
I have one in at home and we have six more at the studio, next to our distressors. It will keep yu acoustics and vocals absolutely flat without any noticeable pumping or breathing.
A common trick for many years was to chain compressors to get lot's of compression without pumping or breathing. Well that's the theory behind the way this compressor works (when in 'supernice' mode). I can't recommend it highly enough.
It's develpoed by a guy (with a background in designing very high end compressors) who designed it and started manufacturing it in his garage. It was originally designed as a project for his students (he teaches audio electronics design), but the darned thing worked so well that people began clamoring for them, so the RNC was born.
It's only downfall is that it operates at +10 and uses a wall wart, but both of thise things keeps the cost down. But regardless, it's a very clean sounding unit with very low noise and plenty of headroom.
Your money would be far better spent on one of these than the alesis piece of garbage. It blows the alesis comp out of the water by a long long ways.
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• | | | |  | Re: Referring to the Alesis 3630 comment by Marco Solorio on Aug 24, 2002 at 6:59:41 am |
Thanks for the tip Mark... I'll definitely have to check out this little RNC out. Wow, you're a user that REALLY didn't like the 3630! I didn't think it was that bad, ha ha.
[Mark Simpson] "It's only downfall is that it operates at +10"
Did you mean -10? +10 would be hotter than balanced +4. I'm guessing the RNC doesn't have balanced I/O???
I'd still be interested in playing with this unit. Thanks again for the tip.
Marco Solorio | OneRiver Media
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• | | | |  | Re: Referring to the Alesis 3630 comment by Mark Simpson on Aug 24, 2002 at 3:52:04 pm |
Did you mean -10? +10 would be hotter than balanced +4. I'm guessing the RNC doesn't have balanced I/O???
Sorry, -10 (that's what I get for answering posts after a 14 hour day :)
Yeah, it's only unbalanced. He talked about making a balanced version, because a lot of people were asking for it, but it never materialized. Not sure why, but perhaps he ran the numbers an it wasn't economically sound buiness. Or maybe he just hasn't gotten around to it. Who knows?
Mark Simpson
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• | | | |  | Re: witch reference monitors for video editing by Mazuroo on Aug 22, 2002 at 5:23:45 pm |
Core,
Stay away from manufactuers that make too many products, becuase they mostly make them all very poorly. I would put Alesis (and many others) in that group.
You know the names that make great mics: AKG, NUEMANN, SENNHEISER, SHURE, most Audio Technica. Buy a used AKG 414-BLU on ebay for @$700, it will fit the bill for almost everything you will do.
I would not buy a microwave from BMW, nor would I buy car made by
Sunbeam. In audio, espcially in audio, stick with established names, they make a great product, and they make it very well. If you have the money, buy the best you will never be disappointed.
I am sure that my dislike for certain companies is known around here, but I only get that opinion from my experience in the real world.
-tm
Mime is money!!
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• | | | |  | Re: witch reference monitors for video editing by Mark Simpson on Aug 23, 2002 at 1:05:55 am |
I would add that I have found the CAD Equiteks to be excellent values. I have the E200 and am very happy with it (fantastic bang for buck ratio). The E300 and E350 are very popular now (the E200 was their predecessor).
But for voice overs, there is a mic on my wish list ("it will be mine, oh yes, it will be mine") that sounds just dreamy for vocals and acoustic guitar (and is somewhat affordable). The Neumann TLM193 (about $1200). I suggest you take a listen to it. Maybe it's a personal thing, but I just 'love' what that mic does with/to vocals. Smooth and warm (if it's possible to assign adjectives to a mics sound).
Didn't Alesis by Rode? If I'm not mistaken (could easily be though), the alesis mics are really rodes.
Mark SImpson
Mime is money!!
"It's a fine line between sexist and sexy"
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• | | | |  | Re: witch reference monitors for video editing by Mark Simpson on Aug 23, 2002 at 1:51:43 am |
I would look at the genelecs, tannoys and KRKs.
I have a pair of older Tannoy NFM8 (gold frames) that I love and keep coming back to. They're easy to listen to for long periods. The genelecs are pretty much the hot tickets right now, but that's not to say that there aren't others worth listening to. A lot of people like the Mackies (but not Mazuroo... B), but I'm very partial to Tannoys.
The right monitors are a very personal thing. They have to be honest enough to allow you hear all the warts and pimples, yet pleasing enough to make your work fun, and they have to be something that doesn't cause you to het fatigued when using them for hours on end.
I would suggest that you find a dealer who will let you return them after trying them out. Then buy two or three pairs at a time and spend a few days putting them through the ringer (actually working with them). Return all but one, and put that against another two or three pairs and so on until you have really had a chance to get to know the different monitors. You will know which ones you like after that, based on how good your mixes translate, how tired you get while working with them, and how much fun you have listening to them.
Don't forget the amp and cabling too. A chain is only as strong as it's weakest link.
Mark Simpson
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