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shooterupgrading storm/premiere
by on May 6, 2004 at 2:02:14 pm

Wondering what the best route for upgrading would be for me.
I have a Storm 1 with Premiere 6. Contemplating Premiere Pro 1.5. I want 24p for panasonic dvx. I am not heavy into effects. Cuts and dissolves, CC and titles are most of what I do. Burn to DVD mostly. Wondering if I should dump the Storm altogether. I have a Pentium 4 with a 1.8ghz proc and 512 megs ram currently. I would like to keep current projects I have on my system so upgrading storm is preffered. My two options seem to be to buy a software upgrade for storm and the Premiere Pro bundle OR the Premiere Pro bundle with an OCHI card. I can do the second option for $500. Not sure of the Storm option in cost and in current system capability. Open to other ideas also.
Thanks


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Tim KolbRe: upgrading storm/premiere
by on May 6, 2004 at 3:59:28 pm

The drivers for Premiere Pro have been challenging for Canopus to perfect...to be kind.

They seem to be pretty solid for my configuration and workflow, but others still seem to be experiencing major challenges.

I used The Premiere Pro 1.5 drivers on a Storm throughout NAB and they were quite good. 1 crash in 4 days and since I wasn't standing at the station when the program closed...it could have simply been someone who needed the station to demo some other application closing it.

I don't see 24p in the cards for the Storm..1 or 2 at this point, so I don't know what you would gain with the Storm for this type of editing. Your system horsepower looks a little light to me to run PPro however. I might try to upgrade to at least a 2.8 P4 Hyperthreader to run PPro with an OHCI card...and jump to at least a Gig of RAM.



TimK
Kolb Syverson Communications

NAB Post Production World Adobe Premiere Pro Technical Chair
Author, "The Easy Guide to Premiere Pro" http://www.focalpress.com
"Premiere Pro Fast Track DVD Series" http://www.classondemand.net


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shooterRe: upgrading storm/premiere
by on May 6, 2004 at 10:00:38 pm

Tim
Will I get realtime previews on my monitor with PPro & OCHI? That's seems a bit confusing to me. Any other limits I might find with this vs. storm1/premiere 6 in terms of performance, not features.
Thanks


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Tim KolbRe: upgrading storm/premiere
by on May 7, 2004 at 12:04:57 am

Simply get yourself one of many FireWire>Analog/Analog>FireWire converters and use it with your OHCI system with an analog monitor hooked to it. I use one with my laptop. Works great. I use Canopus ADVC series stuff...very good products.

Other than that, chroma key with DV with PPro in software isn't as good as Canopus' keyer, but I tend toward AE anyway. Stuff needs to be rendered before it goes out to tape. Anyone doing projects with long timelines will a miss a Storm card for that reason alone.



TimK
Kolb Syverson Communications

NAB Post Production World Adobe Premiere Pro Technical Chair
Author, "The Easy Guide to Premiere Pro" http://www.focalpress.com
"Premiere Pro Fast Track DVD Series" http://www.classondemand.net


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shooterRe: upgrading storm/premiere
by on May 7, 2004 at 12:18:15 am

Thanks again Tim
Any guess as to what kind of render times you'd be talking for say a half hour program?


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Steven L. GotzRe: upgrading storm/premiere
by on May 7, 2004 at 1:53:07 am

Render times will vary from seconds to many hours depending on the effects applied. If you have an extra lifetime to spare, you can apply the Movie Looks effects, or a serious gaussian blur. But most effects render fairly quick.

Steven
Adobe Premiere Pro / After Effects 6.0 Pro / Hobbyist
http://www.stevengotz.com/premiere.htm


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Tim KolbRe: upgrading storm/premiere
by on May 7, 2004 at 4:45:46 pm

[Steven L. Gotz] "If you have an extra lifetime to spare, you can apply the Movie Looks effects, or a serious gaussian blur. But most effects render fairly quick."

I haven't had terrible luck with Gaussian blurs, but I tend to use them in transitional situations...not a lot of frames.

Movie Looks...wow. Leave a note for your unborn grandchildren to shut the computer down when it's done.

:-)





TimK
Kolb Syverson Communications

NAB Post Production World Adobe Premiere Pro Technical Chair
Author, "The Easy Guide to Premiere Pro" http://www.focalpress.com
"Premiere Pro Fast Track DVD Series" http://www.classondemand.net


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StuartRe: upgrading storm/premiere
by on May 7, 2004 at 8:36:34 pm

Tim,

I've got a DVStorm 2 in my original editing machine with Premiere 6.01. It works pretty well there. Now I've got a new editing machine - dual Xeon 2.8, Tyan S2665 MOBO, 1 gig RAM, very fast SCSI/IDE combo RAID (from Enhance Technology - it's IDE drives striped and running through a SCSI 320 adapter), and PPro. So far, I'm editing with the on-board Firewire. It seems okay, but I'm wondering what setup and driver you're using with your Storm and PPro? Do you know where I can get DETAILED installation procedures so I can attempt to get this running? I've usually been successful getting "difficult" installations to work. I was one of the few that got the Storm to work well with the first dual AMD machines on a Tyan Tiger 2460 MOBO. The MOBO almost fried on me due to inherent issues with the 2460, but it still works to this day!

I really miss the RT color correction of the Storm2. I'm willing to consider Edius, since the bulk of my work is done in After Effects and "assembled" in Premiere...

Thanks!

Stuart


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Tim KolbRe: upgrading storm/premiere
by on May 8, 2004 at 3:30:17 am

I'm still not totally back in Storm mode...

I have 1.06 on the system, but it isn't perfect. Most of the issues that I personally had with the drivers have been taken care of, but there are others with issues related to export and some Canopus filters.

I've been a little wary of completely committing to the Canopus project mode as PPro on 1394 runs pretty well.

I'd try the 1.06 drivers. There's something called a "sweeper" included. It's the uber-uninstaller. It will clean up any registry issues et al before attempting to install the new versions. Much easier this time around.



TimK
Kolb Syverson Communications

NAB Post Production World Adobe Premiere Pro Technical Chair
Author, "The Easy Guide to Premiere Pro" http://www.focalpress.com
"Premiere Pro Fast Track DVD Series" http://www.classondemand.net


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SuperflyRe: upgrading storm/premiere
by on May 9, 2004 at 12:58:35 am

After reading this, I don't want to upgrade a damn thing.

I need to keep working and can't afford another month off dealing with bells and whistles, downloading drives and hoping for the best.

What a nightmare, is it really worth it?

Guess I will stick with DV storm 1 and Premire 6 for a while, maybe buy a pre-configured system?

Anyone know of any good ones? I'm just too busy to deal with computer quirks anymore, system goes down, buy a new one. Too much business right now.

Thanks for any recommendations.

Sincerely,

"Over the computer tech buzz, need to edit video now dude."


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