| Navigation for presentation...help!
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 | Navigation for presentation...help!
by GOMO on Aug 29, 2004 at 1:07:40 pm |
Hi folks
I am new to DVD authoring, but have to fulfill my project with DVD navigation. Quite straightforward but...need Your advise, help.
I'm preparing a presentation - it is a motion graphics and stuff ( after effects).
All i need is to make NAVIGATION to this presentation. It schould run like follows:
-Play-presentation starts first Topic and goes to certain point when it MUST stop and display last frame of what was played.
-When it is needed PUSH next chapter button - and presentation starts to play from last stop WITH NO delay or with minimum delay , but absolutely without Blackscreen. ( all this within one topic )
Then next topic starts and so on..
All presentation will be like this example with many chapterpoints within one Topic, and about 10 topics.
My question is how to make this chapterpoints run smoothly one from another (diffrent timelines instead on just one with chapterpoints ??? )AND an END ACTION of Topic - i schould have "previous chapter button" to go backward one step within topic , BUT i must retain the possibility of going back whole topic...
This is crutial for me - and since i am not experienced with DVD's Your help will save me.
Thank You in advance, GOMO
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• | | | |  | Re: Navigation for presentation...help! by Roadkill on Aug 29, 2004 at 3:06:54 pm |
"-Play-presentation starts first Topic and goes to certain point when it MUST stop and display last frame of what was played."
There is no way you can tell Encore to do anything other than playing through to the end once it has started playing it. Which means that the video up until the "MUST stop" position will have to be a separate timeline.
After that you will need a still to simulate the freeze on the last frame. I would suggest to use a still menu for that. Simply freezing on the last frame (or any other frame) of a video clip isn't possible with DVD-Video, with any authoring application.
"-When it is needed PUSH next chapter button - and presentation starts to play from last stop WITH NO delay or with minimum delay , but absolutely without Blackscreen. ( all this within one topic ) Then next topic starts and so on."
If you authored the freeze frame as a still menu, with an invisible button linked to the next clip, you would use the "enter", "go" or "play" key instead of the "next" key.
With a DVD-Video disc there will always a brief pause going from a menu to a clip or going from clip to clip, but usually much shorter than in Encore's preview. A set top player will hold the last frame or field until the selected item has been located and starts playing, so you won't see black in between (unless of course the last frame was black).
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• | | | |  | Re: Navigation for presentation...help! by GOMO on Aug 29, 2004 at 4:26:51 pm |
Thanks Roadkill for prompt reply.
This presentation will be played on set top dvd player linked to a projector.
Reassuming what i need to do this according to Your guidelines:
-separate timelines for each content i want to play and stop at the end
-separate menu for each above content to "freeze" a frame ( all these frozen frames will be one color - so maybe i could use only one?? )
Final effect i need to achieve is smooth presentation that will pause automatically on specified points
and to run from that points ( by pressing a button -ie "next") to the next stop in the way.
All of the stops will take place in a moment when screen goes 100% solid color - to avoid "seeing" the delay
Is there a way to avoid this much complication with separate menus and so?
Thank You
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• | | | |  | Re: Navigation for presentation...help! by Roadkill on Aug 29, 2004 at 5:39:05 pm |
If it is necessary that the "freeze frame" can stay on screen indefinitely, then there may be other ways of authoring the project, but not significantly simpler ones. (At least not that I can think of.)
If however the maximum time that a freeze has to stay on is known in advance and this time is not too long, there could be an easier solution. Lets say that you know the freeze will never be displayed for longer than 3 minutes. You could then create your video so that the freeze would be part of clip and be "pre-frozen" for 5 minutes. Chapter markers would be placed just at the end of each freeze. The final DVD would contain just one clip/timeline.
When the DVD is played, it would look like a freeze frame where the disc is playing the 5 minute still section of the timeline. As soon as you hit the "next" key on the remote, the player will jump (as fast as possible) to the next section of the timeline.
Whether or not this is a usable workaround will depend on the total duration the video is already and for what time the pre-made freezes would have to stay on in total.
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• | | | |  | Re: Navigation for presentation...help! by GOMO on Aug 29, 2004 at 8:56:23 pm |
Thanks Roadkill!
These "freezed frames" are for the guy that will be describing things in front of the audience - just to make him free to speak some longer time.
So i will check it out whether he will plan to speak siginicantly longer than let's say 3 minutes.
Thank You for your help.
One more to fulfill please. I want to make each Topic ( in wchich there will be chapter points ) - separate timeline to jump back to beginning of previous topic ( when presses "previous" )instead of last chapter of previous timeline?
Thanks
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• | | | |  | Re: Navigation for presentation...help! by Roadkill on Aug 29, 2004 at 9:24:59 pm |
Not sure if I am understanding the question, but authoring for the "previous" button with multiple timelines is tricky.
Assuming that you are using version 1.0.1 or 1.5, the timelines are numbered in the order they are added to the project. Hitting the "prev" key once will jump to the start of the timeline being played. Hitting it twice in quick succession will probably start the preceding timeline. Especially for a live presentation type project, I would recommend to avoid having to using the "prev" key. If you can describe your project and its navigational structure in some more detail, maybe we can find a workable solution for it.
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• | | | |  | Re: Navigation for presentation...help! by GOMO on Aug 29, 2004 at 10:39:40 pm |
OK so here it is in general:
Presentation consists of diagrams, animated stills and so on - it is the "pretty" version of power point presentation.There are some "questions" that need that "pause"
How it schould be presented:
Prsntation starts, a guy is speaking to the audience about what is going on in the presentation. In that presentation besides diagrams, have "questions" - this is the moment i need it to pause- just before an answer.
Then the guy will hit "next" button and answer will be revealed.
All things will behave the same manner- question-answer ( sometimes 6 questions and one "BIG" answer )
The topics will cover all aspects of a product ( i cant say the name of the product unfortunately)
and within that topics are these questions and answers illustrated by animated diagrams and stuff.
It is like this
Thank You for your help Roadkill!
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• | | | |  | Re: Navigation for presentation...help! by Roadkill on Aug 30, 2004 at 12:24:02 am |
The way you are describing the project, it seems to be a fully linear presentation, going in only one direction: forward. Time and space permitting, it could be authored as a single timeline with "extended" stills and chapter points at the start of each new item/answer.
"Time and space permitting": e.g. if the total presentation would last 20 minutes, divided into 10 items and a 5 minute "pause" per item would be sufficient, then the total timeline would come to 70 minutes (20 minutes plus 10 times 5 minutes). This would easily fit on a DVD, without compromising quality. But if you would need to pause say 15 times for 10 minutes each, the total would come to 170 minutes. You would have to test and decide if the image quality is still good enough. (With VBR MPEG encoding that wouldn't be impossible as most of the timeline consists of stills, which can be encoded with a low bit rate - leaving more bits for the motion sections.)
What I am missing from your description is the need for the "previous" key that you mentioned before. Hitting the "prev" key twice should make it possible to back up by one item/answer. But if the person giving the presentation doesn't double-click fast enough, it will restart the same question twice instead. To avoid confusion during the presentation, my suggestion would be to add a menu with links to all the items. If the speaker needs to go back to any of the previous items, he/she can hit the "menu" key and select one from the menu.
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• | | | |  | Re: Navigation for presentation...help! by GOMO on Aug 30, 2004 at 6:37:24 am |
Hi Roadkill
Yes indeed -now it is going to be a linear presentation, but just in case a man gving it wants a prvious topic i schould mount something to that. Yes setting up a menu would be the smartest solution as i see it now. In the beginning i thought that this presentation could be all seamlessly animated,no matter in wchich chapter you are, or in wchich topic. You could go to previous one or proceeding one with smooth seamless animated transition
( transition: animation of things that were on screen pulling out to be a solid color - each next chapter will have this solid color as a first frame from wchich it will "develop" some animation until it reaches it's state - i.e. next diagram - it will also work backward )
Having this kind of transition is my goal - audience will not "see" it as another "title in - title-out"presentation.
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• | | | |  | Re: Navigation for presentation...help! by Roadkill on Aug 30, 2004 at 1:33:47 pm |
Another possible solution: If the total presentation isn't too long (roughly 20 minutes or less) you could author each item as a non-looping motion menu. The time constraint is because the combined menus on a DVD are not allowed to exceed 1GB. The ~20 minutes should fit without quality compromise in this 1GB.
Each item would be set up as a non-looping menu with 2 or 3 invisible buttons: e.g. #1 to advance to the next item, #2 to go back and #3 as "panic button" to go to a main menu in case the speaker has lost his way or someone in the audience wants to go back several items. Navigation would be via the number keys on the remote.
As the menu holds on the end of the video background, you would automatically get the indefinite freeze - without the need to "pre-freeze" like I suggested earlier.
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• | | | |  | Re: Navigation for presentation...help! by GOMO on Aug 30, 2004 at 2:06:44 pm |
Thanks a lot roadkill!
I will know what i should do in detail in a couple of days, so one of Your solutions should fit perfectly
Yor help is greatly apreciated
Thanks!
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