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Audio sync problem with DVDW2

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Ron HoodAudio sync problem with DVDW2
by on Feb 3, 2004 at 5:35:08 pm

After using DVDW to create DVD's for a year or so now, I was more than excited to see the new upgrade. I guess I should have been a bit more cautious before celebrating by buying it.

The problem is simple, the audio and video sync is off by what amounts to a few frames. This is very annoying. The video is natively DV and is (as I have always done) converted to *.m2p files in Canopus and then brought into DVDW2 for navigation. The *.m2p file is perfectly synced. I used to tell the program to not convert compatible files and just write the ISO and burn a disk. It has always been flawless in DVDW.

Following the same routine with DVDW2 the audio shifts. I leave the "convert to disc template" boxes unchecked in both audio and video. The preview shows perfect syncing. The finished disk is off.

I checked the audio box and applied the AC3 sound but with the same effect. I have checked the template manager before the burn to be certain I have the correct options. It doesn't seem to make any difference what I check or uncheck, change or compress the audio remains off in the burn.

BTW... I have shut down the machine and restarted to clear the buffers etc. DVDW still burns perfect dvds from earlier ISO's created in DVDW so it isn't the burner.

Any ideas?

Ron



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Ron WeilerRe: Audio sync problem with DVDW2
by on Feb 16, 2004 at 4:43:20 pm

YES!

Unfortunately, I do not have a solution, but sometimes it's nice to know that you're not alone. I use Pinnacle Studio 9 to make my .mpg's and then import them into DVDWS. The mpg's are perfectly synced. In DVDWS, I would be sure to select the same data rate as my imported .mpg, so that there would be no need for DVDWS to change the file. Now it seems that there is no way to do this, so DVDWS2 insists on going through the audio/video multiplexing process that is ruining my sync. Is it perhaps that my incoming audio is mpg audio, and DVDWS wants it to be LPCM? Hmmmm...... For the video's I'm working with that is not necessary, perhaps I can get DVDWS2 to leave the audio as it is....

Anyhoo, the problem exists elsewhere, and perhaps two posts will elicit some responses!

Ron


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daveRe: Audio sync problem with DVDW2
by on Feb 16, 2004 at 5:39:32 pm

Hi folks i too have been experiencing nightmare audi sync problems, i have ulead movie factory 2 and Adaptech video-oh to dvd capture device.I had the trial version of ulead movie factory and had great results , then i bought the full package and it seems that ever since then whatever i transfer to dvd has audio synch trouble , i didnt notice at first.It was only when i played back a home movie and we watched it we realised that the further into the movie the worse the synch was becoming .i have created 6 dvds for my family by this point and feel like i have wasted m time.

Incidently i needed to rip a dvd , this was pal format ripped with smartripper and transfereed to dvd by the use of dvd-lab trial version.This went perfect.Then i tried to do an NTSC dvd and guess what the audio synch was out again( the settings were correct i changed them to ntsc).I tried to do the home movie through it and the Synch was still out.Whats going on?

i am at my wits end trying toi solve this and i am sending an email to ulead as this is driving me mad and when you pay a lot of money for something you dont want hassle.

i am going to try and see what the difference is between the settings in the demo and the full package.

anybody get anwhere with this let me know.I will do the same

cheers dave


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Jim McKnightRe: Audio sync problem with DVDW2
by on Feb 17, 2004 at 4:38:54 pm

I've also been having problems with audio sync using Ulead Movie factory 2, and also Cyberlink Power Producer. I am using a Hauppage unit for capture, not the best for DVD, since the MPEG2 file has to be re-threaded before burning. The resultant MPEG2 file is always good audio synch on the PC, but after burning to DVD, there are synch problems. Direct from TV capture seems to be OK for audio synch, but VCR input (which uses the PC sound card for audio) gives a lot of problems after burning. Cyberlink Power Producer (version 1) gave good audio synch, but jerky video. Upgraded to version 2, good video, appalling audio synch. So far, Cyberlink have failed to explain. Ulead somewhat better, but not a lot. However, Hauppage allows you to record at CBR (constant bit rate) instead of the more usual VBR (variable bit rate); also by ignoring the Hauppage advice to re-thread using the provided Nanopeg editor, forces Ulead Movie factory to do the re-thread itself. The net result is not bad, a frame or two out, a bit like dubbed sound, but reasonably acceptable.
I hope this helps. There's a lot to this audio synch problem, and you would have thought the software guys taking our money would have sorted it out by now!

JimMck


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Marc ChevallierRe: Audio sync problem with DVDW2
by on Mar 30, 2004 at 7:02:40 am

I had this problem on one of the titles on a DVD I made. The sound was in perfect sync in the preview. And on the DVD it was gradually more and and more out of sync. But the other titles were not affected!! I always use Canopus pro Encoder to pre-encode the videos before going into DVDWS2 as I found the quality is much better. I solved the problem by encoding my film into separate video and wave files and manually adding the audio onto the video. And the sync problem disappeared. Also using a CBR rate of 8000 instead of variable might solve the problem. Anyway, always use DVD RWs before burning for good!!


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Bryan PowellRe: Audio sync and transitions, DVDW & Cyberlink
by on Mar 31, 2004 at 11:14:27 pm

I am trialing DVDW and prefer Cyberlink VCR to capture movies from my analogue camera. If you are wondering why I use the Cyberlink VCR capture, it has noise reduction which makes my movies look better than the captures in DVDW trial.
Ulead DVD player replayed the CyberVCR files with jerky video & sound 100s of frames late. I then reset the advanced capture in VCR profile to IBP in frame window. (I did not know what I was doing except grasping for straws) The Ulead DVD player played the VCR file perfectly with the new frame settings. To shorten the story, I then did a test conversion to a DVD file on my HD, replayed sound in synch ok for the 30 min movie. PROBLEMS happened when I added transition enhancements to the original file and then made a DVD on my HD, sound 100s out and motion jerky & in rapid time. Tried importing the first DVD and inserting transitions, same Sound and motion problem when made to DVD.
Does any one have information or a link to an informative site on frame key info that may help me. I am reluctant to purchase DVDW until I get this resolved.


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Marc ChevallierRe: Audio sync and transitions, DVDW & Cyberlink
by on Apr 2, 2004 at 7:52:53 am

I did come across the problem of jerkiness on transitions (using Premiere 6 for the editing). I solved it by making sure that my project in Premiere and the MPEG encoding were set on bottom field first. Whenever I tried with top field first the video was jerky (but only when an effect, a transition or even a rolling title was applied) on my stand alone DVD player, although it was alright on the PC's DVD unit. So check your capture software for this option. Hope this helps.


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Susumu AkatsuRe: Audio sync and transitions, DVDW & Cyberlink
by on Apr 6, 2004 at 2:39:04 pm

First of all, I am glad to find that I am not the only one to experience the out-of-sync problem with DVD Movie Factory 2. My problem is this: I have a Hauppauge WinTV which I use to capture my home video (Hi 8, analog). This TV card is excellent to record any TV programs in MPEG-2, and I can create DVD using Movie Factory without any major problems. In fact, sync is usually perfect. I had only one case which had a terrible sync problem.

When I burn my home movies using Movie Factory 2, I see the out-of-sync problem. As most of you said, it gets worse toward the end of 2-hour videos, but it is probably 2 seconds or so off. Not too bad, but bad enough to make me try to get it better again and again (I wasted 10 or so DVDs so far).

I tried to match the bid rate, audio, and so on to the original captured videos, but nothing seems to improve.

So, my questions to all:

1. Does Movie Factor treat TV programs captured in MPEG-2 differently from my captured home movies? These are identical as to the bid rate, and all encoding. Strange.

2. Any good solution? Do you see a better DVD authoring program out there? What I like about Movie Factory is that it is very fast compared to other programs, and also it has an automatic chapter creating function, which I really like.

Thanks







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Susumu AkatsuRe: Audio sync and transitions, DVDW & Cyberlink
by on Apr 6, 2004 at 2:39:36 pm

First of all, I am glad to find that I am not the only one to experience the out-of-sync problem with DVD Movie Factory 2. My problem is this: I have a Hauppauge WinTV which I use to capture my home video (Hi 8, analog). This TV card is excellent to record any TV programs in MPEG-2, and I can create DVD using Movie Factory without any major problems. In fact, sync is usually perfect. I had only one case which had a terrible sync problem.

When I burn my home movies using Movie Factory 2, I see the out-of-sync problem. As most of you said, it gets worse toward the end of 2-hour videos, but it is probably 2 seconds or so off. Not too bad, but bad enough to make me try to get it better again and again (I wasted 10 or so DVDs so far).

I tried to match the bid rate, audio, and so on to the original captured videos, but nothing seems to improve.

So, my questions to all:

1. Does Movie Factor treat TV programs captured in MPEG-2 differently from my captured home movies? These are identical as to the bid rate, and all encoding. Strange.

2. Any good solution? Do you see a better DVD authoring program out there? What I like about Movie Factory is that it is very fast compared to other programs, and also it has an automatic chapter creating function, which I really like.

Thanks







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Jim McKnightRe: Audio sync and transitions, DVDW & Cyberlink
by on Apr 15, 2004 at 10:46:27 pm

Well, I got into this thread at no. 4, and its time I shared my own conclusions. It seems that any system using the PC sound card could have problems, because the sampling rate of the card is incompatible with any of the DVD packages on offer. Each authoring program tries to deal with it in various ways, and fails. PowerProducer 1 succeeds with audio, but with jerky video, PowerProducer 2, and Ulead MovieFactory, are examples that produce out of sync. audio. My Hauppauge WinTV uses the sound card for VCR input, hence the poor sync I complained about.
But WinTV does not use the sound card for TV programs! So I can transfer TV programs to DVD without loss of sync. You can guess the rest; I don't use the VCR input to WinTV any more, I use the TV output of my video player into the WinTV Aerial/antenna input. Result is perfect synchronisation. If I use the "DVD record" option on WinTV the video on DVD is poor, I get line crawling with Ulead MovieFactory for example (I live in a PAL area, may be different with NTSC). So I record at the high quality level, MPEG2 12.0MBit/sec (CBR). In view of the sampling problem, I reckon Constant Bit Rate is the safest option. The software takes longer to render and write the DVD, but the end results are excellent.
I am sorry for all those out there who are stuck with using the PC sound card, but it does seem that the problem lies there.

JimMck


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