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Bruce SchultzData rates info?
by on Feb 1, 2005 at 5:17:08 pm

For an upcoming project, the producers have asked that I give them a chart of data rates and storage requirements - to better able them to decide whether to go Varicam 24P over firewire, SDX900 @24P over firewire, or Digital Betacam over SDI uncompressed.

If anyone can help in ascertaining these numbers I would be very indebted.

I need to know;

Varicam 24P = X Mbps = X Gig Per Minute/Hour storage space
Varicam 30P = " " "
SDX900 24P = " " "
SDX900 20P = " " "
DigiBeta60i =
(uncompressed SDI out)
And just for grins

Beta SP 60i SDI uncomp. out.






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Noah KadnerRe: Data rates info?
by on Feb 1, 2005 at 5:51:52 pm

SDX900 is a 50Mbit signal. DVCPROHD is a 100Mbit signal. Compared to DV which is 25Mbit. As for the DigiBeta- that depend on what captured card is being used and at what data rate. In general until you get up to uncompressed HD, hard drive space is not really a problem with today's drives being inexpensive and vast.

Believe it or not, here's a Microsoft page with actual useful info(!):

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/howto/articles/UnderstandingH...


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Peter BressRe: Data rates info?
by on Feb 1, 2005 at 6:21:41 pm

DVCProHD is 100 Mbit with 60p.

24p is less cause you will use only the tagged frames.

Calculate 100/60*24 = 40Mbit per second.

Peter


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Bruce SchultzRe: Data rates info?
by on Feb 1, 2005 at 10:20:57 pm

The 25, 50, and 100 data rates were known. The Microsoft page helped a lot in determining data storage per hour.

Thanks for that tip, and the formula.

Any idea - from anyone - what an hour of Digi Beta 601 uncompressed through SDI takes up on a hard drive?


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Noah KadnerRe: Data rates info?
by on Feb 1, 2005 at 10:30:58 pm

I'd check with the maker of the card you would use. Kona, BMD- each have different bitrates that would determine how much space you'd need.


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Bruce SchultzRe: Data rates info?
by on Feb 1, 2005 at 11:14:43 pm

Noah,

Care to hazzard a wild guess using ANY capture card through SDI input? Won't hold you to it.


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Noah KadnerRe: Data rates info?
by on Feb 2, 2005 at 5:48:45 am

Try this:

http://www.kenstone.net/fcp_homepage/basic_codec_jordan.html


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Bruce SchultzRe: Data rates info?
by on Feb 2, 2005 at 9:18:14 pm

DigiBeta being essentially 10-bit, I assume that it would be in the SDI C or SDI d ranges. But at even SDI-C rates (270Mbps), it appears to be almost as large as uncompressed 1280x720@24P 4:2:0 (332 Mbps)- and even larger at SDI-D rates (360 Mbps)

Thanks.



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Mike BergeronRe: Data rates info?
by on Feb 2, 2005 at 6:30:24 pm

Even at 8 bit the uncompressed payload of SD 4:2:2 is going to clear 100Mbps, before any timecode audio or metadata get factored in.
According to my refference:
SDI A (composite) is 143 Mbps, SDI C (4:2:2) is 270 Mbps, SDI D is 360 Mbps.

The capture card has to be recordaing at one of the SDI data rates. If it reduces it, then thats compression.





Mike Bergeron
Camera Engineer
Panasonic Broadcast


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Daniel WeberRe: Data rates info?
by on Feb 3, 2005 at 8:24:25 pm

If you check on the Huge Systems website they have a good chart that shows the data rates and the storage amounts for certain video formats.

Uncompressed 10 bit SD is about 27 megs per second. Uncompressed 8 bit SD is 20 megs per second. I think that DVCPRO HD 1080i over firewire is around 15 megs per second.

Uncompressed HD is a different beast altogether.

Check out http://www.hugesystems.com

Dan Weber


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Bruce SchultzRe: Data rates info?
by on Feb 3, 2005 at 10:37:41 pm

Nice charts on both pages recommmended.

Got the info I needed, thanks to all.


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