Re: shots from JAG & Ron owes me an apology

Gary,

I had no idea who you were or weren't when I demanded an apology from you for Jody. This as "Gary" is not exactly an uncommon name and because you post using your first name only -- as do many people around here -- I have no idea how to keep straight who is who. There are so many "Dave" and "Michael" and "Gary" and "Fred" accounts around here that there is simply no way to keep track of who people are.

If you were disappointed, imagine my disappointment when I learned that the same guy who was going after Jody with some very uncalled for comments was you. Jody and I corresponded privately for a while and the reason that Jody said that he didn't need an apology was more to do with the class that he has, than to your claims that you hadn't tried to insult him. You took the argument personal and went after the man, not the artistry -- or lack of it.

As I have said many times over the years and said again in this forum just this week: You are entitled to say whatsoever you wish about a project, a file, a shoot or just about any other created thing -- but when people fail to show respect to others, then there is going to be a problem. It has always been that way at the Cow and it has both worked for you, Gary, and against you, as you well know.

Your articles will be down today, Gary, as I will not in this case change my mind. You insulted the man and tried to slam him as sure as eggs is eggs. If you wish to end a long friendship over insisting that you were innocent of trying to slam Jody when you know quite well that that was indeed your intent, then that is your call.

I have defended you against an entire forum who turned on you, Gary, and have stood as one of the only people willing to stand in the heat to defend you when your name was being torn apart for no good reason. But when you and one or two others treated Jody in a manner that was quite unbefitting of the Cow, I do not care if you are Gary Gowman or Gary Williams or Gary One Thousand -- you will either apologize (which you did) or you will leave.

I never apologized to you, Gary, because you were wrong. I do not care if Jody had so much class that he shrugged it all off with an "Aw shucks, I wasn't offended" aside -- it just shows his class.

Gary: If you wish to be right in all this, then by all means, do so -- me, I will stand by my words that you owed Jody an apology and if you don't see why, you are free to think whatsoever you wish.

I will instruct Kathlyn to pull your articles and stuff down today.

Regretfully, I hate to see things end on such a sour note but I cannot and will not encourage nor abide people treating others as in the manner that Jody received from a handful of people on this forum, of which you were one.

Attack dog mode has never been one of the acceptable codes of conduct here at the Cow.

Ron Lindeboom

ADDENDUM:
PS: I just spoke with Kathlyn and neither she nor I can recall ever getting a resumé from you. We have never asked any of our leaders for one and out of about 350 leaders over the years, we've been sent two or three by their own prerogative -- none were from you. I thought that maybe you had sent one to Kathlyn and so I didn't mention it in my original reply to you. She just came into the office and we spoke about this, we can recall when people attacked your credentials, we heard from you about certain "in general" things but nothing specific with names and dates, as would be covered in a resumé.

If you are going to make claims, Gary, please at least keep them within the realm of what actually happened.