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CMOS are radical tech. Cost about $3000. ChallengeCCD interests
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CMOS are radical tech. Cost about $3000. ChallengeCCD interests
by
Ed Brown
on May 2, 2003 at 11:23:10 am
Dear Gmasonmd,
yes I am a dreamer --- I want to make movies. But if I am going to go to problem of doing major plot in Siberia and Grosse Pointe, and fuss with actors ---- hell truth is I am on a mission from God. So why get rational? I got Oscar Plot, I got woman who makes your fantasy women insignificant. This gal has charm. Great face and inflections. Never acted but she is a woman.They are always acting. I am not sure she can do lines.
First, I will have her do improv, I set scene and we take many takes. Film is too costly for many takes. So yes, I drool at $25,000 pany Bessie winner but I am frugal. Will spend money, but want value. Do not want it to be obsolete in two years.
I have been following CMOS for two years. CCD are obsolete. Even
JVC's toy CMOS looks good. So being a curious cat, I call up CMOS.
Bingo. 3 CMOS I could have next to my computer on Monday cost $3000 and are better than $100,000 Sony CCD's!!!!!!!!!
Since I am on a mission from God (like Blues Brothers)I know He
works in mysterious ways. I am open to new paths.
CMOS guy tells me JVC and Ikie are coming out with CMOS cams
at end of year for about $35,000. He says Sony/Mats? CCD chip makers and their K?suppliers do not like to see their whole
supply base made obsolete. Japanese, like Billups says, like to keep things doled out and controlable. That is why their economoy has been in 10 year slump.
Okay, I ask if CMOS cam costs $35,000 and chip cost $3000 what the hell is the other $32,000 for?
Better yet, what kind of CMOS camera do we get for $35,000? JVC makes a HD cam that will not do 24P!
I ask CMOS guy what are challenges to making a CMOS cam? Lens are a given, camera frame is tricky but not frontier stuff. CMOS guy says getting a good prism to split light into RGB and processing 1 gig/sec on back end. He says data processing is what is keeping DALSA 4k cam from being usable. For CMOS cam to work must be able to have editable output.
Then he says something profound. CMOS camera makers really do not know their market.It is good that guys like me push for better faster cheaper cameras. So I come up with two plans:
Plan A: organize market. Find out what smart guys like in this forum want and need. Then when there is a consenus we as a group
approach JVC or IKie and say for $20,000 each we will take a CMOScam that can do:???? Say: 2K 4:2:2 at all kinds of 24p, 60i. And of course 4:4:4 read out.
plan B: make the damnthing. I am a Producer,not a techie, my skill is assembling talent. So if Sheer can handle data stream or someother system, this may be feasible.
Look at it this way: I see no reason that an end user designed
camera can not be built. Something that is modular, so can be
updated as tech improves. Something that outputs edit frendly
data that can be changed as tech improves, and something 4:4:4 for Kino who likes uncompressed.
A end user designed camera would not have like now planned obsolence, but planned updateability.
What makes the Sony's so powerful? Of course, great engineering.
But they also make the CCD chips. However, CMOS chips bypass this stranglehold. It is like when European "Tall Ships" bypassed
Moslem overland routes to EAST to get spices. CMOS is new reality.
So let's review feasibility: lens are available, somewhere there is a prism, the CMOS cost $3000 by Monday, and somewhere there are open market back end data engineers maybe like Sheer or somebody else who can make the CMOS data usable with options.
CMOS guy says many are working on this. All that is needed is
actual camera frame maker to assemble this. if you keep it simple with all manual controls like pros like except for back end switches this should not be too difficult. Especially for a dreamer on a mission from God,
Ed
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tinkering with idea of making CMOS HD cam; what readout codex?
by Ed Brown on Apr 29, 2003 at 5:15:00 pm
Re: tinkering with idea of making CMOS HD cam; what readout codex?
by Joaquin (Kino) Gil on Apr 29, 2003 at 7:18:03 pm
Re: tinkering with idea of making CMOS HD cam; what readout codex?
by Joaquin (Kino) Gil on Apr 29, 2003 at 7:21:03 pm
Re: tinkering with idea of making CMOS HD cam; what readout codex?
by Mads on Apr 29, 2003 at 8:28:50 pm
Re: UNCOMPRESSED 2k p 4:4:4 should be no problem, other yes
by Ed Brown on Apr 30, 2003 at 12:24:20 am
does this make sense for readout?
by Ed Brown on Apr 30, 2003 at 12:55:57 am
Re: does this make sense for readout?
by Bob Bonniol on Apr 30, 2003 at 1:26:19 am
Re: does this make sense for readout?
by jean-yves le moine on Apr 30, 2003 at 7:42:41 am
Wizards, take look at Jean's suggested "Sheer" Good for dream cam?
by Ed Brown on Apr 30, 2003 at 9:42:53 am
Re: Wizards, take look at Jean's suggested "Sheer" Good for dream cam?
by Mads on Apr 30, 2003 at 9:53:46 am
Mads, all dream cameras are cheaper, better, faster! This could be real.
by Ed Brown on Apr 30, 2003 at 4:07:18 pm
Re: all dream cameras could be real.
by Mads on Apr 30, 2003 at 4:31:29 pm
Re: all dream cameras could be real.
by Darby Marriott on May 1, 2003 at 2:16:33 am
Darby, you got dream camera specs
by Ed Brown on May 1, 2003 at 3:55:23 pm
Re: all dream cameras could be real.
by Eric Susch on May 1, 2003 at 10:26:09 pm
Eric, non moving storage = silent?
by Ed Brown on May 2, 2003 at 10:39:52 pm
Re: Eric, non moving storage = silent?
by Eric Susch on May 3, 2003 at 4:08:12 am
Re: UNCOMPRESSED 2k p 4:4:4 should be no problem, other yes
by Darby Marriott on Apr 30, 2003 at 3:27:40 pm
Darby, that ACCOM system looks good.
by Ed Brown on Apr 30, 2003 at 4:10:09 pm
Re: Darby, that ACCOM system looks good.
by Joaquin (Kino) Gil on Apr 30, 2003 at 5:18:30 pm
Re: Darby, that ACCOM system looks good.
by Darby Marriott on Apr 30, 2003 at 6:09:09 pm
Re: Darby, that ACCOM system looks good.
by Joaquin (Kino) Gil on May 1, 2003 at 2:46:25 am
Kino and Darby: need both solutions
by Ed Brown on May 1, 2003 at 2:16:16 pm
Re: Kino and Darby: need both solutions
by Ed Brown on May 1, 2003 at 2:19:34 pm
Re: Kino and Darby: need both solutions
by Joaquin (Kino) Gil on May 1, 2003 at 8:35:13 pm
humor me, how get Quicktime wrapper?
by Ed Brown on May 1, 2003 at 10:59:22 pm
Re: humor me, how get Quicktime wrapper?
by Joaquin (Kino) Gil on May 2, 2003 at 12:33:38 am
Re: humor me, how get Quicktime wrapper?
by gmasonmd on May 2, 2003 at 7:19:00 am
CMOS are radical tech. Cost about $3000. ChallengeCCD interests
by Ed Brown on May 2, 2003 at 11:23:10 am
Re: CMOS are radical tech. Cost about $3000. ChallengeCCD interests
by jean-yves le moine on May 4, 2003 at 8:32:28 am
Re: CMOS are radical tech. Cost about $3000. ChallengeCCD interests
by gmasonmd on May 4, 2003 at 10:16:58 am
Jean, mission from God explained is making "Revivin' Romance" movie
by Ed Brown on May 4, 2003 at 5:51:29 pm
Re: Jean, mission from God explained is making "Revivin' Romance" movie
by jean-yves le moine on May 5, 2003 at 7:47:22 am
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